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#Post#: 76--------------------------------------------------
Abraham and Peter
By: Deborah Date: November 28, 2014, 3:32 pm
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If God knows everything that is in our hearts, surely He knew
how much Abraham trusted Him. Why then did He need to put
Abraham through all the anguish of preparing to kill his beloved
son Isaac (Genesis 22:1-14)?
Peter has already failed Jesus badly (and Jesus knew that he
would – He predicted Peter’s threefold denial before it happened
– John 13:38). Now Jesus is asking him the painful question: “Do
you love Me?” (John 21:15-17) And since Jesus surely knows the
answer (John 21:17), why does the question need to be asked at
all? Why does Peter need to be told (three times over!) to prove
his love by serving the Church?
#Post#: 78--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: A nonny mouse Date: November 28, 2014, 3:43 pm
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[quote author=Deborah link=topic=9.msg76#msg76 date=1417210344]
If God knows everything that is in our hearts, surely He knew
how much Abraham trusted Him. Why then did He need to put
Abraham through all the anguish of preparing to kill his beloved
son Isaac (Genesis 22:1-14)?
Peter has already failed Jesus badly (and Jesus knew that he
would – He predicted Peter’s threefold denial before it happened
– John 13:38). Now Jesus is asking him the painful question: “Do
you love Me?” (John 21:15-17) And since Jesus surely knows the
answer (John 21:17), why does the question need to be asked at
all? Why does Peter need to be told (three times over!) to prove
his love by serving the Church?
[/quote]
You're as bad as Twinc (or Edwin).
Asking questions which I bet you have an answer to.
#Post#: 79--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: Kerry Date: November 28, 2014, 3:59 pm
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[quote author=Deborah link=topic=9.msg76#msg76 date=1417210344]
If God knows everything that is in our hearts, surely He knew
how much Abraham trusted Him. Why then did He need to put
Abraham through all the anguish of preparing to kill his beloved
son Isaac (Genesis 22:1-14)? [/quote]I think it benefited
Abraham. Abraham had self doubts. God removed those doubts by
that test.
[quote]Peter has already failed Jesus badly (and Jesus knew that
he would – He predicted Peter’s threefold denial before it
happened – John 13:38). Now Jesus is asking him the painful
question: “Do you love Me?” (John 21:15-17) And since Jesus
surely knows the answer (John 21:17), why does the question need
to be asked at all? Why does Peter need to be told (three times
over!) to prove his love by serving the Church?[/quote]Did Peter
himself know the answer? I think of that conversation as
forcing Peter to see something and then make a decision. We
often try to play both sides of things. James called it be
double-minded.
Yes, I think there was a side of Peter that did love Jesus, but
he hadn't committed himself 100% to it. I think Peter was
"grieved" not only because Jesus asked him three times but also
because he saw deep inside of himself and then saw that a part
of him did not love Jesus. He was keeping something back. His
denial of Jesus had shown him that also, and I don't think he
had fully come to terms with it.
There may be another lesson there too. After three denials,
wouldn't Peter want to know and feel that Jesus had forgiven
him? So Jesus puts him on the spot until Peter says Jesus
knows all things. Therefore Jesus knew he regretted it and
Jesus knew too that he could be forgiven. Having that grief
boil up to the surface to be taken care of was probably a good
thing.
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Re: Abraham and Peter
By: Ivor1 Date: November 28, 2014, 8:38 pm
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We have free will and all of us can do great evil if we are to
choose, or great goodness, or anything in between. Although God
is outside the demands of time and knows the outcome of our
short lives "testing" is not for His benefit but for ours.
The serpent used a question "Is it really so" to have Eve ponder
her own thoughts and develop a rebelious attitude within herself
opening the door to badness. A similar question posed by our
loving creator can cause us too to ponder on own thoughts and to
resolve to more fully accept God's rule over us.
#Post#: 84--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: Helen Date: November 28, 2014, 9:34 pm
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Excellent question Deborah...I can't say that I had thought
about it before!! ...and good response DM
I was going to say the same thing...that God knows our hearts we
don't! I can only say that it seems as if by testing, it is our
own faith becomes more secure in the Lord.
Some good thought here :)
#Post#: 86--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: Alfie Date: November 28, 2014, 11:37 pm
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[quote author=Deborah link=topic=9.msg76#msg76 date=1417210344]
If God knows everything that is in our hearts, surely He knew
how much Abraham trusted Him. Why then did He need to put
Abraham through all the anguish of preparing to kill his beloved
son Isaac (Genesis 22:1-14)?
Peter has already failed Jesus badly (and Jesus knew that he
would – He predicted Peter’s threefold denial before it happened
– John 13:38). Now Jesus is asking him the painful question: “Do
you love Me?” (John 21:15-17) And since Jesus surely knows the
answer (John 21:17), why does the question need to be asked at
all? Why does Peter need to be told (three times over!) to prove
his love by serving the Church?
[/quote]
thoughts given just for info
Why then did He need to put Abraham through all the anguish of
preparing to kill his beloved son Isaac
ah; did Abraham kill Isaac?
as we look to the end of the story
1- this didn't happen
2- thus; the story is about something else * the son who is
killed , is Jesus and that is down the road ; this is but a sign
pointing to that event
Why does Peter need to be told (three times over!) to prove his
love by serving the Church?{{{ “Do you love Me?”}}}
3 times ; and yes that how we say it in English but
its really
1- do you love me --- *
2- do you love me -- * two different types of love sorry i don't
have a good explanation of these
3- do you like me ?
it is a progression, {or a scale} given to emphasize a point
* the point is each of the 3 times are saying something a little
different
#Post#: 88--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: A nonny mouse Date: November 29, 2014, 12:28 am
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[quote author=Al link=topic=9.msg86#msg86 date=1417239434]
1- do you love me --- *
2- do you love me -- * two different types of love sorry i don't
have a good explanation of these
3- do you like me ?
it is a progression, {or a scale} given to emphasize a point
* the point is each of the 3 times are saying something a little
different
[/quote]
I think the 'progression' might be agape, eros, and
philo....love in general, physical emotion, and love for God,
but I'm not sure of the order for the first two.
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Re: Abraham and Peter
By: Stan Date: November 29, 2014, 12:45 am
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Because WE have to know Deb and many times, people don't know
themselves.
#Post#: 91--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: A nonny mouse Date: November 29, 2014, 12:54 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=9.msg84#msg84 date=1417232041]
Excellent question Deborah...I can't say that I had thought
about it before!! ...and good response DM
[/quote]
It took Dumbo quite a while to work out that DM was Danger
Mouse. ;D
#Post#: 92--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abraham and Peter
By: A nonny mouse Date: November 29, 2014, 1:01 am
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[quote author=Mighty Mouse link=topic=9.msg90#msg90
date=1417243532]
Because WE have to know Deb and many times, people don't know
themselves.
[/quote]
What fun it is to guess who's changed their username to 'Mighty
Mouse'.
I know because I'm 'Admin', but others might guess from the fact
that only one other forum contributor has openly asserted
elsewhere that it was Luke who wrote 'Hebrews'.
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