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What about dogs?
By: Helen Date: March 29, 2015, 12:26 pm
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My daughters little dog went missing from their back yard last
evening.
The first thing Dave and I did when she vanished, was pray.
Today on my daughters facebook page she has about 30 posts from
people saying that they are praying for Mollie's return, or
proof she is dead, rather than just wandering 'lost.'
"Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them
shall not fall on the ground without your Father"
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not
therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
If His eye is on the sparrow it is for sure upon dogs!!
If God breathed into Adam and made him a 'living soul' I am
thinking that God's breath is soul and spirit.
We know that animals have souls, but not spirit...so I have to
guess that little Mollie's soul will go back into God.
I almost grieved more over our great German Shepherd when he
died than over my dad who I knew I would see again soon. They
died within 8 months. The beautiful "soul" that our lovely dog
was, can in no way just be 'gone'...their souls return unto God,
right? So in a way we will all be together at the end..." in
God."
The family searching today for Mollie or some remains...brought
these things to my mind.
( they think maybe a coyote took her )
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Re: What about dogs?
By: A nonny mouse Date: March 29, 2015, 3:17 pm
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Makes me think about all living creatures, and that in turn
causes me to think about those that are an indispensable part of
the food chain of other living creatures, which themselves are
part of the food chain of others, etc.
That should earn me a negative karma. :'(
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Helen Date: March 29, 2015, 5:43 pm
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Maybe so. But I am sure our old German Shepherd was a Christian
dog. He was there in many of our house prayer meetings and I am
sure was saying his amen. :D
But don't you think they all end up back "in God" who gave them
life? The only life there is is His life.
All those bulls, and sweet sheep and goats of the old Testament
I am sure went back to God...their very act of being a sacrifice
is godly...nah, I am sure He took 'em all back into Himself.
Not saying each each creature doesn't have a part to play in
keeping the cycle going in God order. :)
PS, I not only will award good posts, but I have to almost stop
myself for awarding an applause when anyone is even interested
enough in the site to post anything these days!! LOL
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Kerry Date: March 29, 2015, 11:27 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=89.msg897#msg897 date=1427669028]
All those bulls, and sweet sheep and goats of the old Testament
I am sure went back to God...their very act of being a sacrifice
is godly...nah, I am sure He took 'em all back into Himself.
[/quote]
I believe the clean animals agreed to do that job when God made
the covenant with Noah and the animals. The unclean animals
also seem to bear some of the burden of the world, but they seem
to wander more and not to return to God as easily. It seems to
me the unclean animals bore things which couldn't be forgiven
via sacrifices.
Man abused this. They thought they could sin and sin and make
the animals keep paying. The system of animal sacrifices was
being abused.
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Deborah Date: March 30, 2015, 3:06 pm
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HTML https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/do-our-pets-go-to-heaven/
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Kerry Date: March 30, 2015, 5:07 pm
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[quote author=Deborah link=topic=89.msg906#msg906
date=1427745990]
HTML https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/do-our-pets-go-to-heaven/
[/quote]Joseph Smith asked the question about pets, and I found
this at a Mormon site
HTML http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blanimals.htm#2:
We do believe in an afterlife for all mankind as well as
animals. Animals will be resurrected and receive salvation
automatically through the atonement of Christ. Here are a few
bits of doctrine on this matter.
They [animals] will be resurrected and placed in their
appropriate places in Heaven. As the fall of Adam affected
animals, (see Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 2:22) so also through the
atonement will the animals be heirs of salvation in their
respective spheres.
Sacred Truths of the Doctrine and Covenants Vol. II, p.38
We also learn from this revelation and the word of the Lord in
other revelations that in the eternities the animals and all
living creatures shall be given knowledge, and enjoy happiness,
each in its own sphere, in "their eternal felicity." These
creatures will not then be the dumb creatures that we suppose
them to be while in this mortal life.
Sacred Truths of the Doctrine and Covenants Vol. II, p. 69
Logic asks us to go one step further. Will all animals who
ever lived be resurrected? Will there be billions of
mosquitoes in the afterlife? I understand the concern of pet
owners, but what about the animals were not pets? What about
amoebas? Will every amoeba that ever lived be resurrected?
My answer is yes, but not in the way most people might think.
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Helen Date: March 30, 2015, 5:07 pm
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Deborah thank you so much for that...I loved it because it was
what I wanted to hear!! ;D
But, even if it ended differently I would still have liked it
esp the comment "2) The phrase ‘go to heaven’ is also not
Biblical terminology – even though virtually all Christians use
it as a convenient shorthand expression for what happens when we
die! But the eternal life that God has promised us is not an
ethereal, spiritual existence in Heaven (sitting on clouds,
playing harps). It will be a very physical life, in a
resurrected body, on the new earth. Amen!!
Sometimes I have to grit my teeth when I hear someone talk about
heaven like some people do...even though we always know what
they mean, as this quote says. :)
Thanks again...lovely to see you pop by.
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Amadeus Date: March 30, 2015, 6:07 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=89.msg909#msg909 date=1427753226]
Logic asks us to go one step further. Will all animals who
ever lived be resurrected? Will there be billions of
mosquitoes in the afterlife? I understand the concern of pet
owners, but what about the animals were not pets? What about
amoebas? Will every amoeba that ever lived be resurrected?
My answer is yes, but not in the way most people might think.
[/quote]
[font=courier]Oft times when scriptures speak seemingly about
the lower animals or beasts, I see, at least as an underlying
subject, men. That is to say, all of us have our beastly
natures, often more than one type of beastly nature. Something
we could or even should tolerate in a lower animal (dog or cat
or horse or lion) we perhaps could not or should not tolerate in
a man.
Consider for this verse:
"She [wisdom] hath killed her beasts;" Prov 9:2
and;
"I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men,
that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they
themselves are beasts." Ecc 3:18
Consider also the three levels in the ark built by Noah. Were
perhaps the unclean and clean animals on two of the levels
really men who needed to be lifted up higher?[/font]
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Re: What about dogs?
By: Kerry Date: March 30, 2015, 8:44 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=89.msg914#msg914
date=1427756847]
Consider also the three levels in the ark built by Noah. Were
perhaps the unclean and clean animals on two of the levels
really men who needed to be lifted up higher?[/quote]
Hebrew has two words for "man." Enos means the physical human
being. Adam means the spiritual type. I believe Adam embraces
all life. Adam was to exercise dominion over all life.
I think in the perfected world to come, spiritual beings will
be able to experience how animals experience things. They will
be able to fly like birds, leap around like goats, etc. We
will not be limited to experiencing life from the solely human
viewpoint.
The original h'adam was not like people today, not if it was
both male and female and then divided. It seems possible to
me that "Adam and Eve" entered human bodies . . . when God gave
them garments of "skin." Man must solve his own problems now
before the problems of the other animals can be fixed. Thus
"all creation groans."
The three levels could refer to spiritual levels of the
Lion/Lamb, the Man in two forms of lightened and dark, and the
Eagle/Serpent. The ark may not be about anything physical at
all for all I know. If the patterns of the Heavens were being
threatened, then life on earth would also be threatened and
could never come into line with the heavenly patterns above.
"Thy kingdom come . . . on earth as it is in Heaven." The two
heavens of Upper and Lower Waters seem to have been the most
threatened -- and the waters of the flood came from both -- from
above and also up from below. It the turmoil of these heavens,
the ark preserved the templates for life in the three heavens --
and those templates then could steer life on the physical earth
properly. Was a there a physical flood too? I think so. And
I think some of the worst atrocities were eliminated -- where
animals existed that were half man and half beast -- we still
have images of such creatures. If anything should scare
fearful people, perhaps it's the mad scientists in our day who
wish to tinker with genetics.
In short, it's hard for me separate the animals from humans.
The world won't be at peace until the "sons of Adam" are
exercising correct dominion over all life so that all life is
the way it's supposed to be. But that cannot be true now, not
when man is still battling his "own inner beast" nature and
can't control it? And of course, man's beastly nature is no
better than the animals.
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Re: What about dogs?
By: A nonny mouse Date: March 31, 2015, 3:33 am
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The 'beast' is that irrepressible factor, peculiar to each
species, to procreate and to survive.
'Man' is equipped with the additional factors of imagination,
reason, and choice, as a consequence of which he 'imagines'
various 'fictions' about God and Satan, together with theories
about various heavens, hell, etc., discovers 'facts' about our
Cosmos, and applies 'reason' which he chooses to adopt, or which
he hones, as discovery progresses.
Exactly like I have just done. (But at my age there's not a lot
of 'Beast' left in me.....except perhaps for a bit of 'beastly'
cynicism.)
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