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"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: Edwin Date: December 21, 2014, 8:52 am
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Subject: Psalm 22.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud
voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" that is, "My God,
my God, why have you forsaken me?"
When our Lord Jesus cried out, "My God, My God, why have You
forsaken Me?", He was not if fact complaining, but was drawing
the onlookers attention to Psalm 22, in which the following
verses appear,
Psa 22:16 For dogs have surrounded Me; The congregation of the
wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet;
Psa 22:18 They divide My garments among them, And for My
clothing they cast lots.
In other words He was saying, "Read what David wrote some 1,000
years ago, and long before crucifixion was even thought of, it's
happening right now. You are seeing the fulfilment of Scripture
prophesy".
Note: "For dogs have surrounded Me". The Jews always referred to
Gentiles as, "dogs".
Mat 15:26 And he answered, "It is not right to take the
children's bread and throw it to the dogs."
The Cross was surrounded by Roman soldiers, Gentile dogs.
At that time, whenever a Rabbi wanted to draw attention to a
particular passage of Scripture, he always quoted the first few
words, as there were then, no Chapter and verse divisions.
Bless you.
Edwin.
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Re: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: Deborah Date: December 21, 2014, 9:18 am
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One of the most harrowing texts in the New Testament is the
description of Jesus’ crucifixion. “From noon until three in the
afternoon darkness came over all the land. About three in the
afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, Eli, lema
sabachthani?’ (which means ‘My God, my God, why have you
forsaken me?’).” (Matthew 27:45,46)
Why did Jesus say this? Up to that moment He had retained the
most remarkable composure. He had remained calm and controlled
during His trial, He had refused the drugged wine that would
have dulled His pain (Matthew 27:34). He had pronounced
forgiveness over His tormentors (Luke 23:34) and had arranged
for His mother to be cared for (John 19:26,27). But then, almost
at the last moment, He seems to have ‘lost it’. Was He, as some
have suggested, expecting a different outcome, and surprised
that His Father appeared to have abandoned Him to His fate?
It is tempting to look upon Jesus’ sufferings with the thought
that ‘it was all very well for Him – He was God’. He had
spiritual resources that we do not; He had an extremely keen
awareness of His Father’s presence and a profound sense of unity
with His Father’s will. But when He took upon Himself the burden
of our sins, He could not be allowed to suffer any less than a
‘normal’ human being. And the ‘normal’ human experience of
suffering is that, at the very moment when God is most needed,
He usually seems to be totally absent.
Two things must be borne in mind. The first is that Jesus’ cry
of terror was absolutely genuine. He found Himself – the Son of
God Himself! – going through the nightmare of desolation and
abandonment that is the essence of Hell. And that ‘split’
between Father and Son caused God Himself terrible agony – as if
a sword was cleaving the heart of the Infinite. But the second
is that the words of His cry had been written down a thousand
years earlier, by King David, in the poem we now know as Psalm
22. Jesus’ alienation from God did not come as any surprise; it
was part of the whole plan of redemption. Even at that moment of
blackest darkness, He was not ‘off course’ but following the
path marked out for Him, the path that would culminate in
glorious triumph.
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Re: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: Edwin Date: December 27, 2014, 10:58 am
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Thank you Deborah for your reply.
What you had to say brought to mind the following verses of
Scripture.
Col 1:19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell
Col 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
I am unable to locate any verse that indicates that two thirds
of that fullness departed just before the crucifixion.
And therefore, I must conclude that all three persons of the
Trinity suffered the excruciating agony of that horrible death.
In which case how could the Father possibly have forsaken Him?
Bless you.
Edwin.
#Post#: 606--------------------------------------------------
Re: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: Deborah Date: December 27, 2014, 11:55 am
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Edwin, you seem to imply that 'fullness of deity' means that
Jesus was not only the Son but also the Father and the Holy
Spirit.
This doesn't make any sense at all. If all three persons of the
Trinity were 'in Him', why did He pray to His Father? And why
did the Holy Spirit come upon Him at His baptism, and not
before?
'Fullness of deity' must mean something else.
#Post#: 609--------------------------------------------------
Re: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: Kerry Date: December 28, 2014, 7:05 am
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[quote author=Deborah link=topic=43.msg606#msg606
date=1419702926]
Edwin, you seem to imply that 'fullness of deity' means that
Jesus was not only the Son but also the Father and the Holy
Spirit.
This doesn't make any sense at all. If all three persons of the
Trinity were 'in Him', why did He pray to His Father? And why
did the Holy Spirit come upon Him at His baptism, and not
before?
'Fullness of deity' must mean something else.
[/quote]I have an opinion but it's just an opinion. I think it
means Jesus possessed in their perfections all seven Spirits of
God.
#Post#: 610--------------------------------------------------
Re: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: Ivor1 Date: December 28, 2014, 8:37 pm
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Edwin, if Issac had been a sacrifice before Abraham's eyes who
would have suffered the most?... suffering has various levels
and physical pain is only one of them. If the Father did leave
at Jesus final parting then he did so to suffer another level of
agony. It was not a cop-out
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Re: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?",
By: clark thompson Date: December 29, 2014, 9:09 am
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I knew Jesus was quoting Ps but did not know that they say the
first few words of a scripture to identify it, that makes sense
because there were only book divisions at the time.
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