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#Post#: 559--------------------------------------------------
Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: HappyHeretic
Date: December 22, 2014, 6:01 am
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> If I was asked to build a boat and given the knowledge
required to build a small boat then surely the same principles
would apply and i'd have the skills to build a large boat
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I don't agree with this argument.
Wood has certain strength. That doesn't change. To make a boat
to make a boat the size of the ark would have needed wood
stronger than wood.
All the advances in building and ship building have come about
as a result of stronger materials. There is a reason that the
Titanic wasn't made of wood - wood isn't strong enough.
You could not make sky scraper buildings out of wood. They are
made of steel/concrete. Wood isn't strong enough to support
the weight of the wood of tall buildings and still have doorways
and windows.
Kind regards,
Mike HM
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Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: Kerry
Date: December 22, 2014, 6:52 am
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> DM you tell us to rip the page from the bible and that seems
to be a habit ripping out and discarding verses.
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I am willing to discard only those passages I am quite certain
can't be true. I know for a fact that seventy and seventy five
are different numbers. I also know that Genesis says Abraham
left his father when his father was alive, not after he died.
Logic tells me that contradicting passages can't both be true.
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> I'll take it as a whole thankyou even the parts you discard
and yes i do try to reason on your wavelength and get the point
you are making but If Jesus 2nd coming came and every eye didn't
see and the scriptureS yet to be fulfilled with regard to the
Jews didn't happen then what did?
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I'm having a bit of a problem understanding you. What passages
in the Bible do you mean? I suppose this for one?
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye
shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds
of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
That "cometh" is written in the present tense. Some things do
not make "sense" if we try to grasp them in a physical way.
Like this one, also from John:
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that
cometh into the world.
We also read that his second coming would be after the Gospel
was preached to every living creature; and what does that mean?
People jump to conclusions; but Paul said:
Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and
settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,
which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature
which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Surely some of the preaching was by physical men to other
physical men in the flesh; but there is another type of
preaching the Gospel too.
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of
heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that
dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and
tongue, and people,
I'm not sure what your question about the Jews mean; but a door
was about to be shut there, exactly as the door was shut in
Noah's ark. That is also the reason Paul seems so desperate
in his efforts to get Jews saved. If they did not repent by a
given time, it would be too late for them under the system they
had. The door would be shut on them.
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> Obviously no rapture which I have no view for or against its
not anything I personally can choose or not choose it will
happen or not happen ...... or in your case (past tense) has or
has not happened
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This idea of the rapture is a purely human myth.
If we want to see how someone was caught up, we can read John's
account. He tells us explicitly that he heard a "trumpet" and
was then caught up into Heaven. The stumblingblock for many
seems to be the "clouds" -- but that doesn't mean physical
clouds. How could that be? Can we believe Jesus couldn't
"come" unless there are clouds of water vapor in the air? How
could he come in the desert then? It means the same type of
"cloud" that Israel was baptized in. . . . The same type of
"cloud" that "overshadowed" Jesus and the disciples at his
transfiguration when a Voice came from the cloud. This is also
the same kind of "cloud" that Noah's rainbow appeared in.
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> DM on a side issue I have had my disagreements with Mike many
times but the quality nugget that always lingers from Mike is
that admits he may not be right, I've said on many occasions I
stand on the faith and understanding I have today but that may
change tomorrow by new revelation and has done throughout my
whole life so I have many regrets at teaching wrong thoughts and
I know that some things I'm doubly sure of today will be wrong
tomorrow when that new revelation hits home.
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That being so, if it is so, wouldn't it be wise then not to
adopt such a dogmatic approach?
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> How about you DM are you ever not right?
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You may never see it. I am frequently wrong. I have all sorts
of crazy ideas; but I do my best not to take myself too
seriously. I try to take "every thought captive" before
expressing it. I know that an idea isn't true just because it
crosses my mind.
All that being said, I do know some things. I have even seen
some things first hand.
If I do ever write rashly and you catch me and correct me, I
hope I have the sense to correct myself at once and thank you
for it. Nor do I care who corrects me. An atheist caught me
being wrong at another forum. What could I say? I was wrong,
and he caught me being wrong. I admitted it. I was also in
debt to him for it since he did me a favor.
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Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: Ivor1
Date: December 22, 2014, 7:44 am
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HM wrote
I don't agree with this argument.
Wood has certain strength. That doesn't change. To make a boat
to make a boat the size of the ark would have needed wood
stronger than wood.
All the advances in building and ship building have come about
as a result of stronger materials. There is a reason that the
Titanic wasn't made of wood - wood isn't strong enough.
You could not make sky scraper buildings out of wood. They are
made of steel/concrete. Wood isn't strong enough to support
the weight of the wood of tall buildings and still have doorways
and windows.
Kind regards,
Mike HM
LIKE THIS THEN?....... Kind regards, IVOR
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJimDolW7Ao
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Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: A nonny mouse
Date: December 23, 2014, 3:40 am
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> LIKE THIS THEN?....... Kind regards, IVOR
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJimDolW7Ao
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It's amazing what some people can do if there's nothing better
for them.
Is there nothing like the Salvation Army or the Samaritans in
Holland?
Or even just a few local hard hit people in desperate need of
help?
I read that he aims to refill the red sea....how's about
building a Babel like tower reaching up to heaven?
Beam me up Scottie.
#Post#: 567--------------------------------------------------
Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: Deborah
Date: December 23, 2014, 5:49 am
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--- Quote from: A nonny mouse link ---
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> It's amazing what some people can do if there's nothing better
for them.
> Is there nothing like the Salvation Army or the Samaritans in
Holland?
> Or even just a few local hard hit people in desperate need of
help?
> I read that he aims to refill the red sea....how's about
building a Babel like tower reaching up to heaven?
> Beam me up Scottie.
>
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It's the Dead Sea, not the Red Sea (the Red Sea is connected to
the Indian Ocean so can't be filled any more!)
However, I think the Israeli government has beaten him to it;
when we visited the Dead Sea a few years ago there were already
plans to top up the water level in the Dead Sea by boring a
tunnel to the Gulf of Aqaba.
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Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: HappyHeretic
Date: December 23, 2014, 5:53 am
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That is impressive Ivor, but they used metal.
What was the metal for?
Even so, it is still one of many objections.
Regards,
Mike HM
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Re: The 'Flood'?
DIR By: A nonny mouse
Date: December 23, 2014, 12:14 pm
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> It's the Dead Sea, not the Red Sea (the Red Sea is connected
to the Indian Ocean so can't be filled any more!)
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Seems like a good enough reason to ignore the rest of my post.
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