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       Re: Homesteading, etc.
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: January 27, 2016, 6:07 am
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       --- Quote from: bradley link ---
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       > Hmm, just got an idea for a perpetual motion machine, just
       bits of it, an overall idea, involving heated water rising to
       the surface through channels that have a turbine attached
       creating electricity, and the contraption floating in the water,
       with a portion of the energy created to heat the water at the
       lower portion of the contraption.    Wish I had the labratory I
       have always desired to test and invent based on ideas.
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       The big enemy of perpetual motion machines is friction.  In
       theory, if you could make a pendulum that could move without any
       friction, it would swing back and forth forever.   Energy lost
       through friction means some of the energy in the system has been
       lost.  In your device, you would also have to prevent any heat
       loss from the system.
       --- Quote from: bradley link ---
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       > I wrote a time travel novelette once also.   Have lots of
       interest in time travel, but fear its knowledge could take a
       world on the edge and make it 100 times worse.
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       Ah now there, I don't happen to believe in time. I think it's an
       illusion.   Spirit can move "back and forth" in time -- but
       that's in the imagination.  I think science is still a  bit on
       the wrong track with its ideas about time.
       Time is created by us, I think.   We chant it into being.   Yes,
       again the "voice" is making something happen.  We tend to think
       it's always and only the Voice of God that brings things into
       being; but I think we are all singing along and creating this
       illusion we call time.
       Notice in Genesis, the "first day" commences when God speaks.
       What does that mean?  Even more perplexing is this passage --
       what does it mean?
       Revelation 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and
       upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
       6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created
       heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the
       things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are
       therein, that there should be time no longer:
       7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he
       shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as
       he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
       Does this mean "time" for people to do something runs out -- or
       does it mean time ceases to exist?   Could it be that time
       itself is somehow tied to this "mystery of God"  John mentions?
       Of course, I relate this seventh trump to what Paul calls the
       "last trump."    I also believe that some of God's servants have
       already heard this last and seventh trump and have escaped the
       illusion of time -- and are "now" comfortably in what we refer
       to as "eternity" but which Jesus often called the "world to
       come."
       #Post#: 3702--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Homesteading, etc.
   DIR By: bradley
       Date: January 27, 2016, 8:54 am
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       Yes, friction does slow things down, not even worrying about
       that, you would have to clean it from time to time to keep
       biological matter and other such stuff from building up in the
       channels and the flywheel.   And of course the generator and
       electrical connections replace once in a while.  But it should
       produce more energy than it needs to keep going, and the water
       serves to keep things cool, and the natural convection current
       of nature does the work (heat likes to rise).   The time travel
       thing involves electrical magnetic fields of immense power being
       focused in certain ways to create a portal of broken universal
       laws, where the physical may be able to step through into other
       time frames.   Of course, it would take much dangerous testing,
       not knowing where the items would end up, and whether flesh
       could go through and survive.
       #Post#: 3703--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Homesteading, etc.
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: January 27, 2016, 10:49 am
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       How could it produce more energy than it had originally?   Where
       would the extra energy come from?
       #Post#: 3704--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Homesteading, etc.
   DIR By: bradley
       Date: January 27, 2016, 11:24 pm
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       --- Quote from: Kerry link ---
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       > How could it produce more energy than it had originally?
       Where would the extra energy come from?
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       From the upward movement of hot water that naturally rises.
       They already have machines close to my thoughts that ride in the
       waves creating energy from the movement of water.
       #Post#: 3705--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Homesteading, etc.
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: January 28, 2016, 5:51 am
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       --- Quote from: bradley link ---
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       > From the upward movement of hot water that naturally rises.
       They already have machines close to my thoughts that ride in the
       waves creating energy from the movement of water.
       >
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       But you have to put energy into making the water hot, and
       there's the problem.  You would probably wind up putting more
       energy into it than you got out.
       However I could see inventing such a device; and perhaps it
       could be used with solar power.  On sunny days when you're
       making lots of electricity, you heat water and send it
       underground the way heat pumps do.  You can heat rocks with hot
       water to a pretty high temperature.   As you probably know, heat
       pumps do something like that and then on cold days, they reverse
       the flow of water and send it through a building; and I saw a
       house on tv once in New England that used almost no outside
       electricity in the coldest winters since it had stored up so
       much heat underground in the summer.    I don't know how
       feasible it would be to  use that stored heat  to manufacture
       electricity. Theoretically I'd think it should be possible.
       #Post#: 3706--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Homesteading, etc.
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: January 28, 2016, 9:25 am
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       Heat pumps are popular out here where we live.  We first heard
       of them when we moved here.
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