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Sharia Law
By: bradley Date: December 28, 2015, 3:30 pm
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As Islamic people, even peaceful ones, that promote large
families and strong adherant to the faith, migrate into
traditional christian nations, how many years before they have
the influence to promote sharia law do you all think?
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Re: Sharia Law
By: James Date: December 29, 2015, 12:31 pm
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Quote- how many years before they have the influence to promote
sharia law do you all think?
I do not know what country you are writing from but in the UK we
already have Sharia Law, as well as police no-go areas. The
Government thought that letting them have their own law would be
an advantage, how so I have no idea, since Sharia Law is for men
and suppresses women. This should make it diametrical opposed
to the European human rights act, but this is fudged by the
governments as well.
What a mess they have made of it all!!
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Re: Sharia Law
By: bradley Date: December 29, 2015, 1:48 pm
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No sharia law in the us yet, at least none that I know of. And
yes, it takes away most of womens right that they have fought so
hard for here in America. Its a big mistake to allow it until
they (muslims)have to votes to make it law.
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Re: Sharia Law
By: Kerry Date: December 29, 2015, 10:22 pm
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[quote author=bradley link=topic=401.msg3514#msg3514
date=1451338216]
As Islamic people, even peaceful ones, that promote large
families and strong adherant to the faith, migrate into
traditional christian nations, how many years before they have
the influence to promote sharia law do you all think?
[/quote]You use the phrase "sharia law" and many Muslims and
non-Muslims use it; but I for one don't have a clear idea what
is meant by it. It doesn't seem to have a clear definition
since even among Muslims there are such widely different ideas
about what it means. It seems chaotic and almost random to me.
It appears to be whatever the leaders of the moment say it is.
Take the woman condemned to death in Africa for adultery.
There were no eye witnesses. What was known was that she had
been divorced and then wound up pregnant. Obviously she had
had sex, and the "court" concluded it had been adultery. But
the Quran insists there must be eye witnesses.
Should "sharia law" apply to non-Muslims? Mohammed said no. I
think it was in Egypt where people brought a Jewish woman to him
and said she had committed adultery. What should they do?
Mohammed said it wasn't their affair since she was Jewish.
Turn her over to the Jews, he said.
So what does it mean when a group of Muslims say they want
"sharia law"? Do they even know what they want? Does it mean
women need to cover their heads? Their faces? There's wide
disagreement among Muslims about even this. All the Quran says
about it is women should dress modestly. It doesn't define
modest.
This is all so confusing that some Muslim countries don't have
it as part of their legal system. Egypt doesn't, although the
Muslim Brotherhood probably would like to impose their ideas
about what's right and wrong on everyone else. Turkey didn't
for years -- it had a completely secular government -- only
lately have "religious" Muslims made "progress" there trying to
make the government more "religious."
I find the idea of "sharia law" a little dangerous since almost
anyone can claim to be an expert and make rulings. I have no
objection to any religious system if it's voluntary and people
go to religious authorities for guidance and rulings. If it's
imposed by force, then I think it should be opposed by force
since even Mohammed said in the Quran that religion should not
be a matter of compulsion. [quote author=bradley
link=topic=401.msg3517#msg3517 date=1451418492]
No sharia law in the us yet, at least none that I know of. And
yes, it takes away most of womens right that they have fought so
hard for here in America. Its a big mistake to allow it until
they (muslims)have to votes to make it law.
[/quote]There are places in Michigan that could be called "no-go
zones" for non-Muslims.
Irony of irony, Saudi Arabia just allowed women to vote for the
first time ever. What's with that? They can't drive there
yet, and it remains the only country in the world that prohibits
women driving; but now they can vote! As I said, I don't know
"sharia law" really is -- it appears to be whatever the rulers
say it is.
In France when the government there forbid wearing the veil in
public if it concealed the face, Muslim "authorities" said they
should go along with it. Their idea of "sharia law" said to
go along with the secular government? [quote author=James
link=topic=401.msg3515#msg3515 date=1451413893]
I do not know what country you are writing from but in the UK we
already have Sharia Law, as well as police no-go areas. The
Government thought that letting them have their own law would be
an advantage, how so I have no idea, since Sharia Law is for men
and suppresses women. This should make it diametrical opposed
to the European human rights act, but this is fudged by the
governments as well.[/quote]The British government tried for
years to pretend poverty and other things were not problems in
the Muslim communities. I think it was mostly Pakistanis who
lacked jobs and were discriminated against -- and then put
mostly altogether in ghettos -- which the government called
government housing. There might be eight or more people
living in an apartment that the government said was for three or
four -- since the people who had the "legal" right to the
apartment had relatives move in with them. There was not much
of an effort to integrate Muslims culturally or economically.
When there were serious problems, often government officials
turned a blind eye. I mean, really now, how could so many young
school girls be raped and no one knew for years and years?
And why were girls being raped anyway? Was it because Muslim
men were in the UK without their women folks? Were men coming
to the UK to work and to send money home?
Why so many rapes in Sweden? My guess is because there's so
many young men there from Muslim countries who went there to
work -- as single men. The Swedish government seemed to think
this wouldn't cause any problem?
Perhaps the worst situation is in France where Muslims aren't
even tracked. The government says that proves how unbiased
they are -- because they don't track people by religion, race,
or nationality. But what it really meant was that Muslims could
be jammed together in ghettos far outside of Paris -- far away
from where they could get jobs. And the French government
pretended not to know what was going on. There's been violence
there for years with youths rioting and burning cars every so
often; but it's only when the rich and privileged people in
places like Paris feel threatened that anyone thinks about doing
something.
I can't speak for all the US; but in my town, thank goodness the
Muslims here can get jobs and aren't all living in one area of
poverty. Many of them know English too. I see them and hear
them. They appear to be integrating to some extent or other.
I see some women with their hair all covered up; but you know
what -- I doubt their daughters will want to do that, and I
doubt they will. I know the Muslim men are often glad to get
away from the repressive governments in the places they came
from. They gamble and drink and don't have to worry about being
arrested.
Integration is key perhaps. Women's rights are important too.
Why is Saudi Arabia giving women the vote? I think they're
afraid not to.
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