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Daniel
By: Kerry Date: December 9, 2014, 11:21 am
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Here is what I believe. The Babylonian exile lasted 70 years,
and the second Temple stood 420 years, producing the seventy
weeks or 490 years. The clock had already started ticking since
we see Daniel in Babylon.
Where things start to get confused is by how "messiach" is
translated as "Messiah" with the capital M.
9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of
the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the
Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two
weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in
troublous times.
Who is this "messiah"? I'd say it is Cyrus.
Isaiah 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall
perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be
built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
Cyrus is explicitly called "messiah" in the next chapter by
Isaiah:
45:1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed <messiach in Hebrew>,
to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations
before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before
him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
So that's who the first anointed person is.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be
cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that
shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end
thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined.
We shouldn't expect the second "anointed" one to be Cyrus
however. The Jews say this was Agrippa who was king of Judea
when the Romans came. It's not clear to me what "cut off"
means since this word can also mean to "cut a covenant." It can
also mean to be "cut off" from his people as here:
Exodus 12:19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your
houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that
soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether
he be a stranger, or born in the land.
Agrippa was not killed at that time. He went somewhere else.
I think it means Agrippa was spiritually doomed or cut out of
Israel; and that gives credence to the story in Acts about him
when he was still king. While I'm not sure about the entire
chapter of Acts 26, I find it credible that Paul could have said
to him, "Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou
believest" and Agrippa said back, "Almost thou persuadest me to
be a Christian."
However, the last part of this hasn't come true yet, not fully.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one
week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of
abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate.
I think the consummation refers to the ushering in of the last
world-age, the Messianic Age.
If that word "messiach" had been translated as "anointed" the
way it is in Isaiah, it would not lead people to believe it must
mean Jesus. Now let's jump forward to what Jesus said in
Matthew 24.
Matthew 24: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple:
and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of
the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily
I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon
another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came
unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the
world?
If we don't understand everything that follows fully, we should
still understand that the speech that follows is about the sign
of his coming and the of the end of that world-age.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end
come.
Paul said this had been done:
Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and
settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,
which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature
which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Here is where people's imaginations often carry them off; but
yes, this too, happened. It had happened once already before
Jesus said this under Antiochus Epiphanes and similar events
would happen again under Titus and yet again following the Bar
Kokhba revolt.
That brings up the subject of Daniel 7 and the various beasts
and the beast with ten horns. If we compare history to the
Scriptures, I believe we can see that the "little horn" is
Titus; but let me stop for now since I've run on long enough.
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Re: Daniel
By: Helen Date: December 9, 2014, 3:50 pm
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Just came in from work...and it makes my head spin! The sad
thing is..when I was a few decades younger I would love to dig
into it...now....I have to read it a few times to get it all!!
The little gray cells are not what they used to be! :-\
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