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#Post#: 2894--------------------------------------------------
The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: Oneoff Date: August 16, 2015, 3:46 am
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Here’s some questioning for Catholics and Bible literalists.
The questions link with ‘Transubstantiation’ (about which I no
longer have fixed opinion).
And my questions relate to what sort of beings might we be in
the event of a resurrection into Revelation’s New Jerusalem.
Might we no longer need what we currently know as physical
sustenance?
Might we only have totally ‘spiritual bodies’ and need only the
transubstantiated flesh and blood of Christ for sustenance?
(Maybe the Catholic Church does in fact already teach that to be
so.)
Might not the transubstantiated flesh and blood of Christ for
sustenance parallel the verse from Revelation that tells us that
“the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine
in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the
light thereof”?
Does not Christ as both eternal light and sustenance have a ring
of cohesive truth about it connecting right back to the Church’s
current sacraments?
Read John 6:47-58 (modern English version below) and tell us
what you think.
He that believes on me (Christ) has everlasting life.
I am the bread of that life.
Your fathers ate manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
This is the bread which comes down from heaven, of which a man
may eat and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man
eats of this bread, he shall live for ever.
The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for
the life of the world.
Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood,
you have no life in you.
Whoever eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, has eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I
in him.
As the living Father sent me, and I live by the Father: so he
that eats me shall live by me.
This is that bread which came down from heaven.
Whereas your fathers ate manna, and are dead, he that eats of
this bread shall live for ever.
John 6:47-58
#Post#: 2898--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: CatholicCrusader Date: August 16, 2015, 11:11 am
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Once upon a time I would have lept into this topic with flag and
sword in hand, and battle would ensue. Today I will simply say
that I believe the Catholic position to be correct, and provide
some links for people to read:
The Real Presence:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-real-presence
Christ in the Eucharist:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-eucharist
The Sacrifice of the Mass:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass
The Institution of the Mass:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-institution-of-the-mass
I don't care to debate it simply because I know exactly where
the debate will go, as I have seen it all too many times over
the years. Don't take that the wrong way - nothing personal -
I've just lost the energy for it.
#Post#: 2902--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: Oneoff Date: August 16, 2015, 12:19 pm
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[quote author=CatholicCrusader link=topic=331.msg2898#msg2898
date=1439741475]
Once upon a time I would have lept into this topic with flag and
sword in hand, and battle would ensue. Today I will simply say
that I believe the Catholic position to be correct, and provide
some links for people to read:
The Real Presence:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-real-presence
Christ in the Eucharist:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-eucharist
The Sacrifice of the Mass:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass
The Institution of the Mass:
HTML http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-institution-of-the-mass
I don't care to debate it simply because I know exactly where
the debate will go, as I have seen it all too many times over
the years. Don't take that the wrong way - nothing personal -
I've just lost the energy for it.
[/quote]
Hi Terry,
There's a lot of reading involved in your four links.
Can you make it easy for me by telling me whether there is any
mileage in Catholicism for my question as to whether, in the New
Jerusalem, the transubstantiated flesh and blood of Christ might
be the only sustenance needed for whatever form our resurrected
bodies might take?
That was the crux of my OP.
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Re: The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: Deborah Date: August 16, 2015, 1:35 pm
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I can't speak for the Catholics, but the standard Protestant
interpretation of I Corinthians 11:26 is that the celebration of
Communion is only until Jesus returns - after that, presumably,
it will become irrelevant.
We don't know the exact conditions of the future life, so any
speculation in the kind of sustenance our resurrected bodies
will need is just that - speculation. However, Jesus ate normal
earthly food after His resurrection, which suggests (if
anything) that we may do so too.
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Re: The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: CatholicCrusader Date: August 16, 2015, 2:19 pm
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[quote author=Oneoff link=topic=331.msg2902#msg2902
date=1439745565]
Hi Terry,
There's a lot of reading involved in your four links.
Can you make it easy for me by telling me whether there is any
mileage in Catholicism for my question as to whether, in the New
Jerusalem, the transubstantiated flesh and blood of Christ might
be the only sustenance needed for whatever form our resurrected
bodies might take?
That was the crux of my OP.
[/quote]
I have never heard a question quite like that one, and I doubt
that there is a definitive answer. While I disagree with the
first part of Deborah's post, I think she hit the nail on the
head with the second part: "We don't know the exact conditions
of the future life, so any speculation in the kind of sustenance
our resurrected bodies will need is just that - speculation."
For that reason the question probably cannot really be answered.
You might want to read about what we say about the first topic
(resurrected bodies) before tackling the second:
>>
HTML http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a11.htm
Not sure if that helps, but check it out.
#Post#: 2905--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: Oneoff Date: August 16, 2015, 2:39 pm
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Thanks Terry, that was a very absorbing read, out of which I
pick
"1000 - This how exceeds our imagination and understanding; it
is accessible only to faith. Yet our participation in the
Eucharist already gives us a foretaste of Christ's
transfiguration of our bodies"
Otherwise I like how you, Deborah, (and the article) major on
"we can only surmise"....that's very much 'up my street'.
#Post#: 3169--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Flesh and Blood of Christ.
By: Colin Feener Date: November 1, 2015, 10:04 pm
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The flesh and blood of Christ are from the scriptures. When
we thirst and hunger for God the scriptures are the body of
Christ. His name is the word of God. The literal is his flesh
and the blood is the Life which makes the flesh, the daily bread
and the bread of life. When we do eat the flesh and drink the
blood of the new testament, the blood makes us joyful and is of
the joyful nature so likened unto as wine. So when you do go to
church and the priest feeds you the knowledge and new testament
he is giving you the bread and blood of Christ, body of Christ.
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