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#Post#: 276--------------------------------------------------
Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Edwin Date: December 7, 2014, 9:36 am
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Did Christ go to Hell ?
The answer is, No He did not, as is made clear in the verse
below.
Jhn 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It
is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Everything that Jesus had to do to save us was, "finished",
before He died, the following verses are sometimes used to teach
that Jesus went to Hell after His death.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for
the unjust, that He might bring us[fn5] to God, being put to
death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
1Pe 3:19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in
prison,
1Pe 3:20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine
longsuffering waited[fn6] in the days of Noah, while the ark was
being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved
through water.
All this passage is telling us is that it was the Holy Spirit
speaking through Noah, while the ark was being prepared, that
preached to people alive at that time, who did not repent, and
whose spirits are now in prison
Jesus said, "into Your hands I commit My spirit ", Note: Not,
"into hell", but, "into Your hands".
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He
said, "Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' " Having
said this, He breathed His last.
Also, "You will not abandon my soul to Sheol". Notice it is
"to hell", not, "in hell" In other words, "I won't be going
there"
NASB - Psa 16:10 - For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol;
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.
RSV - Psa 16:10 - For thou dost not give me up to Sheol, or let
thy godly one see the Pit.
ASV - Psa 16:10 - For thou wilt not leave my soul to Sheol;
Neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption
ESV - Psa 16:10 - For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption.*
Footnote:
* Or see the pit
ESV - Act 2:27 - “‘For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
NASB - Act 2:27 - BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES,
NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
RSV - Act 2:27 - For thou wilt not abandon my soul to Hades, nor
let thy Holy One see corruption.
Every blessing.
Edwin.
#Post#: 277--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Poppy Date: December 7, 2014, 9:41 am
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We may know for sure one day but I think there may be some very
red faces when we discover just how wrong we've been about
certain things.
#Post#: 280--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Kerry Date: December 7, 2014, 9:54 am
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[quote author=Edwin link=topic=33.msg276#msg276 date=1417966590]
Did Christ go to Hell ?
The answer is, No He did not, as is made clear in the verse
below.
Jhn 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It
is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Everything that Jesus had to do to save us was, "finished",
before He died,[/quote]How is that clear?
I wouldn't read that to mean everything was finished. After
all, the resurrection was still ahead. What good would his
dying do if he had not mastered death and then been resurrected?
1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our
preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
[quote] the following verses are sometimes used to teach that
Jesus went to Hell after His death.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for
the unjust, that He might bring us[fn5] to God, being put to
death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
1Pe 3:19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in
prison,
1Pe 3:20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine
longsuffering waited[fn6] in the days of Noah, while the ark was
being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved
through water.
All this passage is telling us is that it was the Holy Spirit
speaking through Noah, while the ark was being prepared, that
preached to people alive at that time, who did not repent, and
whose spirits are now in prison[/quote]I wouldn't say that.
Firstly, the Old Testament does not tell us that Noah preached
to anyone. Secondly, the spirits Jesus preached to are said to
be the spirits who were disobedient in the days of Noah. That's
how Noah fits into the picture. The text says that Jesus was
dead in the flesh but alive in the spirit when he went to preach
to them.
[quote]Jesus said, "into Your hands I commit My spirit ", Note:
Not, "into hell", but, "into Your hands".[/quote]
This does not say anything about where he went. It can't mean,
however, that he went to Heaven since he told Mary Magdalene
later he hadn't yet gone to the Father.
[quote]Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice,
He said, "Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' " Having
said this, He breathed His last.
Also, "You will not abandon my soul to Sheol". Notice it is
"to hell", not, "in hell" In other words, "I won't be going
there"
NASB - Psa 16:10 - For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol;
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.
RSV - Psa 16:10 - For thou dost not give me up to Sheol, or let
thy godly one see the Pit.
ASV - Psa 16:10 - For thou wilt not leave my soul to Sheol;
Neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption
ESV - Psa 16:10 - For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption.*
Footnote:
* Or see the pit
ESV - Act 2:27 - “‘For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
NASB - Act 2:27 - BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES,
NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
RSV - Act 2:27 - For thou wilt not abandon my soul to Hades, nor
let thy Holy One see corruption.[/quote]
Other versions have it "leave in hades" or "leave in hell." It
can be either, of course; but you can't reasonably speak about
leaving something some place unless that thing is in that place.
I read that to mean he went to sheol and conquered it. How
could Jesus conquer death and hell unless he encountered them?
#Post#: 284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Helen Date: December 7, 2014, 10:45 am
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Hello Edwin. Thank you for keeping us busy :)
We know there are many levels of 'death' the 'grave', 'hell '
and hells...just as there are ages, ages of the ages, and times
within times...eons..
All I know is what I read...and Jesus sure 'went' somewhere
before He asended and led captivity captive.
1 Peter 3 ( which I am sure you knew was where our minds would
go :) )
18" For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for
the unrighteous, to bring us to God. He was put to death in the
body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, He
went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to
those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in
the days of Noah while the ark was being built. "
Which also lends serious thought for those Christians who have
strong CONVICTIONS and believe that there is no deliverence
after death!!
No one was brave enough to write that in the "Convictions"
thread :D
I fogot to add that on my list of convictions..." Every knee
will bow and every tongue will confess" when they hear His
wonderful voice and see the holes in His hands and feet!
Those that perished in Noahs day "heard and were delivered" why
not the rest of God's creation?
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: A nonny mouse Date: December 7, 2014, 11:30 am
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No such word as 'Hell' when the Old Testament scriptures and the
apostolic writings were penned... only Sheol/Hadres (meaning the
'grave'), Gehenna (taken from the legend of the valley outside
of Jerusalem where it was said that children were sacrificed to
Molec and dead bodies, including those of animals, were dumped),
and tratarus (a deeper lake of fire with a door down into it
from Gehenna).
And it was Sheol/Hades (the grave) in which Christ body was not
allowed to remain.
#Post#: 307--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Kerry Date: December 7, 2014, 6:37 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=33.msg284#msg284 date=1417970714]
I fogot to add that on my list of convictions..." Every knee
will bow and every tongue will confess" when they hear His
wonderful voice and see the holes in His hands and feet!
Those that perished in Noahs day "heard and were delivered" why
not the rest of God's creation?
[/quote]It may be worthwhile to give a similar passage.
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under
the earth;
There are other passages to deal with too:
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to
them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men
in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
And:
Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according
to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led
captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended
first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above
all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Paul is alluding to:
Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity
captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the
rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them.
#Post#: 308--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Kerry Date: December 7, 2014, 6:51 pm
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[quote author=A nonny mouse link=topic=33.msg286#msg286
date=1417973430]
No such word as 'Hell' when the Old Testament scriptures and the
apostolic writings were penned... only Sheol/Hadres (meaning the
'grave'), Gehenna (taken from the legend of the valley outside
of Jerusalem where it was said that children were sacrificed to
Molec and dead bodies, including those of animals, were dumped),
and tratarus (a deeper lake of fire with a door down into it
from Gehenna).
And it was Sheol/Hades (the grave) in which Christ body was not
allowed to remain.
[/quote]This may trigger some thoughts. Jesus compared himself
to Jonah. And we read:
Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto
the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell <sheol>
cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
#Post#: 310--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Helen Date: December 7, 2014, 11:11 pm
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Wow D.M. Thanks...excellent scriptures!! ;D
I am reading them to Dave right now!
#Post#: 311--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: A nonny mouse Date: December 7, 2014, 11:18 pm
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[quote author=Danger Mouse link=topic=33.msg307#msg307
date=1417999045]
Paul is alluding to:
Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity
captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the
rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them.
[/quote]
That sent me on a mental 'paper chase'; the thought being that
everything we read in the Bible is so deeply entrenched in the
Jewish religion.
For example (am I right in saying this) each of the 13 Apostles
were Jews, and each would have been so totally steeped in the
Jewish scriptures (the Old Testament) that whatever they said or
wrote would be conditioned by their devotion to those
scriptures.
(Even the apostle to the Gentiles said of himself "If any other
man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I
more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the
tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the
law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church;
touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless".)
That set me thinking about Revelation.
Would not a 90 year old man, imprisoned on an Island, with a
cave for solitary shelter, and with only a rock shelf for a bed,
fall into almost mental delusion and hark back to what had
dominated his past life (namely the Jewish scriptures)?
Is that not why most of what was recorded in Revelation so
closely paralleled the prophesies of Daniel and other Old
Testament writings?
That then sent me searching the internet along those lines until
I came across
HTML http://www.bibleprobe.com/revelation.htm
OMG Dangerous Mouse (and any others who might be interested)
whatever do you make of
HTML http://www.bibleprobe.com/revelation.htm<br
/>?
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
By: Ivor1 Date: December 8, 2014, 1:22 am
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I'm not a fan of playing with dates but if we are watching
Israel closely it cannot be a bad thing because when the Jews
are to be in a dilemma enough to turn to Christ then this must
be a world changing event effecting all of us who have either
prayed for Jerusalem and the Jews or opposed them
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