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Various posts.
By: A nonny mouse Date: December 7, 2014, 12:25 am
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There have been so many to which I feel inclined to respond in
the way that I have responded to an email that I have just
received.
The following is what was sent to me followed by my response
(it's just how everything is making me feel at the moment).
Let us go out to Him, outside the camp, and bear the disgrace He
bore. (Hebrews 13:13 NLT)
We can organize our movements, lay our plans, and draft our
schemes. We can lay it all out according to the New Testament
and it can be dead, ineffective.... You see the difference
between a traditional system, whether it be Judaism or
Christianity, and a living thing coming all the time in a living
way out from the Christ Himself by the Holy Spirit, the Holy
Spirit Himself doing it. Well, this is going to cost something.
See what it meant for these people. At the end of this letter
you come on this: “Wherefore, Christ also... suffered without
the camp. Let us therefore go to Him without the camp, bearing
His reproach.” The camp was Judaism, and He suffered without the
camp because He repudiated Judaism and stood for the realization
of all God’s thoughts as in Himself personally. He gathered up
everything into His own person, “I am.” It is the Christ who is
the full sum and embodiment of all God’s thoughts and ways, and
that takes the place of Judaism, and He, therefore, repudiated
Judaism and suffered without the camp. "Let us go to Him without
the camp."
What is the issue? If you are going to take this line you are
going to repudiate organized Christianity, going to repudiate
Christendom as a traditional system, going to repudiate that
order of things which is made, and going, therefore, to suffer
reproach and be outside of the camp suffering His reproach. In
other words, we are immediately going to come up against that
force of antagonism to stop what has come in through the death
and resurrection and exaltation of the Lord Jesus, the heavenly
thing. Is it not sad that these people met it through God’s
historic people, the people who claimed to have the oracles, to
be the elect, to be the favoured of the Lord? It is always like
that. “A man’s foes shall be those of his own household.” Do not
narrow that down to the limits of a family where one is a
Christian and all the rest are not. That is not the point at
all. It is his own household, the Christian household. You will
meet the antagonism to what has come in from heaven as a
heavenly thing; you will meet the antagonism amongst those who
are the traditional people of God in this dispensation. That is
how it will be. That is going to be the cost of a walk in Life
with the Lord and not with man, knowing the Lord for yourself.
By T. Austin-Sparks from: The Kingdom That Cannot be Shaken -
Chapter 2
My response:-
God is to be worshipped in the very simplest of childlike trust
and faith rather than on the basis of presumed human knowledge.
Much of mankind has a conviction of God and then spoils that
conviction by presuming to be able to define God into various
religions based on their written definitions.
This has gone on since the beginning of time and T Austin-Spark
is but one such example who tries to build upon one section of
mankind's presumption.
Who is to say that the 'camp' which he presumes and defines is
'it'?
Who is to say that the much wider 'camp' which I presume is
'it'?
It just cannot be determined....which is why I fall back on
nothing more than the worship of God in the very simplest of
childlike trust and faith.
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Re: Various posts.
By: Helen Date: December 7, 2014, 9:50 am
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All of that was a very good post . Obviously I enjoyed the
Austin Sparks quote too....all of it
...and your response.
quote- A. S. He gathered up everything into His own person,
“I Am.” It is the Christ who is the full sum and
embodiment of all God’s thoughts and ways, and that takes
the place of Judaism, and He, therefore, repudiated Judaism and
suffered without the camp. "Let us go to Him without the camp."
Jesus and the Godhead are not found in 'religion'....He never
came to make us religious...He came to make us holy, fit for His
kingdom, so in due season "we fit" stone upon stone.
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Re: Various posts.
By: Poppy Date: December 7, 2014, 9:53 am
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Good posts Mike and Helen.
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