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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: bradley Date: August 2, 2015, 10:59 pm
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^And how did they know that Jesus was a "good" teacher from God?
Did He have a charismatic voice that some have used in either
the pulpit or as a politician to gain followers? Those
intellectuals were amazed at what he taught, but they for the
most part could not accept His differences with traditional
teachings of rabbi's. Their intelligence became a stumbling
block toward acceptance of His new focus and new teachings.
The intellectuals were also amazed that the "simple" men He
chose seemed to be so wise and smart when they didnt have any
formal education (for the most part, Paul one of the greatest
exceptions). Then its spoke of many times how faith is so
important in our spiritual strength. If we put our trust in
the intelligent people and what they tell us, how is that faith
in God? Is the intelligent people of our time and better than
the scribes and pharisees, and teachers of the law? I dont
advocate not using the intelligence God gave us or even adding
to it as life goes on, but not at the expense of those all
important things (faith, hope, and love). We have only so much
time on our hands, so much room in our heads to accomodate new
teachings, and to flesh them out in our lifestyle. We should
even out our envied proper attitude to include a whole lot more
than intellectual prowess IMO.
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Kerry Date: August 3, 2015, 4:09 pm
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[quote author=bradley link=topic=312.msg2762#msg2762
date=1438574344]
^And how did they know that Jesus was a "good" teacher from
God?[/quote]
I'd say by being relatively honest with themselves. You can't
cheat an honest man. If we want leaders who flatter us, that's
what we're attracted to. If we want leaders to justify our
misdeeds, that's the kind we find. We're told Nathaniel had no
guile; but I'd say the other disciples tried to keep what guile
they had in check. Peter seems to have known his own
weaknesses and accepted reproof easily.
[quote]Did He have a charismatic voice that some have used in
either the pulpit or as a politician to gain followers?
[/quote]Yes, he has that ability and he could have used it that
way. He declined to succumb to that temptation when Satan
tested him.
[quote]Those intellectuals were amazed at what he taught, but
they for the most part could not accept His differences with
traditional teachings of rabbi's. [/quote]I wouldn't be too
sure about this. Jesus quotes some of the teachings from the
Pharisee tradition.
[quote]Their intelligence became a stumbling block toward
acceptance of His new focus and new teachings. [/quote]I'd say
it was their desire to maintain their positions. If they taught
others what they knew, people wouldn't need them anymore. They
were worried about keeping their positions.
[quote]The intellectuals were also amazed that the "simple" men
He chose seemed to be so wise and smart when they didnt have any
formal education (for the most part, Paul one of the greatest
exceptions). [/quote]
I don't know what to make of how Acts uses the word "unlearned"
and how Peter himself uses it. Peter also seems to have known
parts of the Talmud as did Jude.
Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and
perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they
marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been
with Jesus.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of
these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do
also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
What's Peter doing calling others unlearned and judging them if
he was unlearned himself? I'd say he wasn't unlearned and
ignorant as we may think but others perceived him that way. He
certainly learned some things by being with Jesus. That is how
things were done then -- a student picked a master to study
with.
[quote]Then its spoke of many times how faith is so important in
our spiritual strength. If we put our trust in the intelligent
people and what they tell us, how is that faith in God?
[/quote]Do they have the mind of Christ or the mind of the
serpent? For me, it is rather stupid to trust in the guile of
the serpent since its reasoning power, though impressive in some
ways, is still limited in a way the mind of Christ is not.
[quote]Is the intelligent people of our time and better than the
scribes and pharisees, and teachers of the law? I dont
advocate not using the intelligence God gave us or even adding
to it as life goes on, but not at the expense of those all
important things (faith, hope, and love). We have only so much
time on our hands, so much room in our heads to accomodate new
teachings, and to flesh them out in our lifestyle. We should
even out our envied proper attitude to include a whole lot more
than intellectual prowess IMO.[/quote]
Yes.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind.
A failure in any of the four creates problems -- not only in the
world for others but even internal conflicts in a person. Those
inner conflicts are what create the "double mindedness" in
people. We have opposing ideas fighting it out inside us and
believe somehow we can hold onto both sides of conflicting
ideas. The serpent mind says, "Yes, you can lie to people and
they will trust you. You can cheat on your wife and still have
a happy marriage." And yes, such guile often works for a
while. I believe the mind no matter how brilliant will
self-destruct over time since it's at war with itself. Is that
an intelligent decision?
Is it intelligent to say, "I can do what I please and get away
with it?" The person who does not believe in God may think
it's safe to think that since he can see how sly people often do
get away with things; but it's still wishful thinking since if
he was honest, he'd also see how some of the most clever and
manipulative people have been brought low. It looks now that
Bill Cosby is guilty. He got away with things for decades. How
clever was it, really, to give women drugs so he could have sex
with them?
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Kerry Date: August 3, 2015, 5:26 pm
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Speaking of robots, did you see where Hitchbot got vandalized in
Pennsylvania? No, it wasn't me; but if I ever saw him, I admit
I'd feel like smashing him. I don't need or wants robots
coming up to me, trying to strike up conversations. From VOA
HTML http://www.voanews.com/content/hitchbot-may-have-new-lease-on-life/2897904.html:
HitchBOT, the talkative Canadian hitchhiking robot that met an
untimely demise at the hands of vandals in the United States,
might get a new lease on life.
Its creators, Frauke Zeller and David Smith, say they have been
overwhelmed with offers to help revive the robot since it was
vandalized beyond repair during the weekend on the streets of
Philadelphia, the northeastern U.S. city known as the "City of
Brotherly Love."
It had already hitchhiked across parts of Canada, the
Netherlands and Germany as part of an experiment to chronicle
the interaction between humans and robots.
HitchBOT started its 4,800-kilometer U.S. journey in Boston, but
only made it about 480 kilometers southwestward to Philadelphia
before the vandals wrecked it and left it in pieces alongside a
city street, to the disgust of many people there.
HitchBOT relied on the kindness of people to move it from city
to city, striking up short conversations and answering trivia
questions by consulting facts in its built-in computers. When
it got tired, HitchBOT told its human friends it needed a rest,
a recharging in their car's cellphone outlet.
First of all, robots are not alive, so what's with the talk
about a "new lease on life." Secondly, I don't see how people
can be "kind" to robots. Robots also cannot have "friends."
"Oh dear, my body was damaged," the robot wrote on its website.
"I guess sometimes bad things happen to good robots! My trip
must come to an end for now, but my love for humans will never
fade. Thank you to all my friends."
What absurdity. Robots can't love; and if some robot dared to
call me "friend," I think I might have an urge to destroy it.
I also applaud the people who are shooting down drones. It's
pretty bad when firefighters in California can't do their jobs
because mindless idiot sent in a drone to photograph fires.
I understand the fire fighters may start shooting them down, and
I say good. I say every drone should have a transponder that
identifies it and its owner; and any drone that can't be
identified should be fair game to be shot down.
I also say if drones are flying low enough and close enough that
you can shoot them down with a gun, they're flying too low. I
think the man who shot down the drone in Kentucky was right to
be annoyed since his daughter was out sunbathing. Even if the
drone was over the neighbor's land, it could still be up there
spying on his daughter. Where should drones be allowed? I
say outside of the range of gunfire. If you're close enough to
be shot down, then you're too close.
But Congress will probably wait until there is a major
catastrophe involving a drone before they do anything. An
airliner recently had a close call with a drone in New York.
HTML http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Airplane-Landing-JFK-Nearly-Hits-Unmanned-Aircraft-Drone-320331571.html<br
/>
I think the use of technology by the "clever" and the "rich"
needs to be clamped down on.
#Post#: 2767--------------------------------------------------
Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: bradley Date: August 3, 2015, 8:00 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=312.msg2764#msg2764
date=1438636195]
A failure in any of the four creates problems -- not only in the
world for others but even internal conflicts in a person. Those
inner conflicts are what create the "double mindedness" in
people. We have opposing ideas fighting it out inside us and
believe somehow we can hold onto both sides of conflicting
ideas. The serpent mind says, "Yes, you can lie to people and
they will trust you. You can cheat on your wife and still have
a happy marriage." And yes, such guile often works for a
while. I believe the mind no matter how brilliant will
self-destruct over time since it's at war with itself. Is that
an intelligent decision?
[/quote]
Just my point, and I agree. Intelligence without wisdom to use
it makes us dangerous to all those around us, and often, at
least in my own earlier life a burden of the pride of self,
puffing myself up, and me constantly battling my pride with
knowledge that its wrong to little avail. It was only through
the Holy Spirit's guidance that the true power of the word of
God came alive and even the word of God apart from scripture,
for what is the word of God but a message from God given to man,
which can happen even daily if we listen to the voice of the
Spirit.
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