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IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Kerry Date: July 29, 2015, 4:04 pm
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Many people today believe "all men are created equal" and
assume that while some individuals are more intelligent than
others in any culture every nation is about equal. Tests have
not borne this out however. Go to this site
HTML http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html<br
/>for a list of several countries.
In 2006, a book was written showing a connection between
national intelligence and the standard of living. From Wikipedia
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality:
IQ and Global Inequality is a 2006 book by psychologist Richard
Lynn and political scientist Tatu Vanhanen. IQ and Global
Inequality is follow-up to their 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of
Nations, an expansion of the argument that international
differences in current economic development are due in part to
differences in average national intelligence as indicated by
national IQ estimates, and a response to critics. The book was
published by the controversial Washington Summit Publishers.
Lynn and Vanhanen's research on national IQs has attracted
widespread criticism of the book's scores, methodology, and
conclusions. The book was positively received by some long time
supporters of Lynn's research, including J. Philippe Rushton.
Of course, many people objected to the book's conclusions.
The book received a mixed reception with most academics
dismissing the work.
Some of the criticism however was more over details -- how much
the IQ differential was -- than the conclusions.
The study A systematic literature review of the average IQ of
sub-Saharan Africans by Jelte M. Wicherts and colleagues stated
that:
"For instance, Lynn and Vanhanen (2006) accorded a national IQ
of 69 to Nigeria on the basis of three samples (Fahrmeier, 1975;
Ferron, 1965; Wober, 1969), but they did not consider other
relevant published studies that indicated that average IQ in
Nigeria is considerably higher than 70 (Maqsud, 1980a,b; Nenty &
Dinero, 1981; Okunrotifa, 1976). As Lynn rightly remarked during
the 2006 conference of the International Society for
Intelligence Research (ISIR), performing a literature review
involves making a lot of choices. Nonetheless, an important
drawback of Lynn (and Vanhanen)'s reviews of the literature is
that they are unsystematic."
There are people too who say the low IQ scores are the result
of lack of education of the people tested or cultural bias in
the tests.
Whatever you theorize about the situation, it should be
apparent that the world has a problem. Africa and Latin
America have problems. Arab countries have problems. Some
Asian countries like Pakistan have problems.
Let's take Pakistan as an example. The average IQ there is said
to be 84. That means half the population there would be
considered "mentally deficient" in a culture where the IQ is
100. I believe it also means only 5% would test as "average or
above" with an IQ of 100 or more.
Oner interesting country is Japan with an IQ of 105, the third
best globally; yet before World War II, they scored much lower
on IQ tests. Part of that is easily explained since before
the war, marrying first cousins was widespread and this produced
genetic defects including mental problems. They used to lock
up children with the worst defects so no one ever saw them;
and those children didn't reproduce, thus there was a tendency
for some defective genes to drop out of the gene pool. When
they stopped marrying their cousins as much after the war
because it was frowned on by Westerners, their national IQ
soared.
Another interesting country from this perspective of marrying
cousins is Syria where the practice is still common, and their
average IQ is 84. Other birth defects are also common. In
Pakistan, it's estimated that 70% of all marriages are between
close relatives. It's common in Muslim countries. The BBC
HTML http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm<br
/>said, in 2005:
Now, one Labour MP is calling for an end to the practice. "We
have to stop this tradition of first cousin marriages," Keighley
MP Ann Cryer tells Newsnight.
Mrs Cryer believes an open debate on the subject is needed
because - despite the risks - cousin marriage remains very
popular.
Mrs Cryer's constituency is in the Bradford area, where the
rates of cousin marriage are well above the national average. It
is estimated that three out of four marriages within Bradford's
Pakistani community are between first cousins.
The practice remains so popular because the community believes
there are real benefits to marrying in the family. Many British
Pakistanis celebrate cousin marriage because it is thought to
generate more stable relationships.
Ending marriages between cousins may contribute to the problem;
but there are other factors too, some of which cannot be cured
by education. Education is not going to be the answer if
people lack the intelligence to benefit from it.
The world in general doesn't seem ready to address the problem,
so we can expect the wide disparity in wealth and living
standards to continue.
I also wonder how the present trends of immigration are going to
affect the world as people from poor countries continue to move
into richer countries. Can we expect a "dumbing down" of the
European countries as immigrants continue to flee the poverty in
their own countries? Can we expect a "dumbing down" of the US
as poor people from Latin America flee the poverty there?
The answer may be no since birth control is becoming a bigger
factor. There are places in this world where if you are poor,
you need to have as many children as possible to take care of
you when you're old. In general, IQ and money are related --
the brighter you are, the more likely you'll have money. So
for a long time, the poor needing to have as many children as
they could also meant the less intelligent would having more
children. This has to be a factor, but I don't know how big of
a factor it is. I do know that people in Arab countries are
beginning to use birth control more; and time will tell if IQs
go up as a result.
Things are so complicated, I wonder if they can be figured out.
Birth control might improve the national IQ in Venezuela (where
the average IQ is 84); but with the sanctions in place,
condoms and other forms of birth control are hard to find
HTML http://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2015/07/28/pregnancies-stds-bloom-in-venezuelas-birth-control-drought/.<br
/>
Birth-control products have all but vanished from Venezuela. A
mere 15 percent of the normal supply remain available, according
to Freddy Ceballos, president of Venezuela’s Pharmaceutical
Federation. With prices skyrocketing for the few available in
stores, Venezuelan women are resorting to drugs for other
purposes, risking their health with dangerous substances.
On July 26, Ceballos also told Venezuelan outlet Sumarium his
deep concern over the fact that distributors cannot assure when
the drugs will be available again. Because of tight
foreign-currency controls, they depend exclusively on government
quotas to purchase US dollars with which to import goods.
“Laboratories don’t have the raw materials to produce the
medication, and most products are imported,” explained Carlos
Meza, who works at a drugstore and believes the government’s
delays in assigning dollars to drug companies are to blame.
The shortages that started six months ago affect both birth
control pills and condoms, bringing upon three major health
public issues in Venezuela: unwanted pregnancies, teen
pregnancies, and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
Dulce María Blanco de Figallo assures that in Campo Alegre,
where she owns and operates a pharmacy, “pregnancy rates have
increased 50 percent, and these numbers are similar across the
country.” Campo Alegre is a low-income area in Aragua state’s
capital, Maracay.
Like it or not, poverty is a powerful motivation for women to
abort. Add the lack of birth control to the food shortages,
and you see a recipe for abortion rates going up -- and a rise
of unwanted children to parents who choose not to abort. If
something is not done to raise IQ in Venezuela, how can they
ever solve their problems?
Does low IQ relate to terrorism? I think it might. I think
areas where the average IQ is low will probably be poor; and
people will resent richer countries. If someone is poor and
not too bright, we shouldn't be too surprised to see them doing
irrational or stupid things; and a few bright leaders can dupe
a lot of uneducated and not so intelligent masses.
It depresses me.
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Piper Date: July 29, 2015, 6:16 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]I guess it all depends on what you mean by
intelligence. God's outlook on intelligence is likely much
different than ours. Too much high IQ often breeds evil,
instead of being used for good. Is it better to be 'simple' and
obedient and trusting of God, or is it better to be highly
intelligent and think that you ARE God?
And, we know that wisdom and intelligence are two different
things. A man can be 'book- smart', but be the biggest moron
around, not understanding the simplest of things that create
love and harmony, the things that truly bind and unite people.
Creatures are designed to be intelligent at being what God
intended them to be. Their specific brand of intelligence helps
them survive.
Only man is intelligent enough to conceive of global destruction
and potentially carry it out.
And, how "intelligent" is that?
Without love, there is a point where intelligence becomes very
dangerous, and, ironically, even self-destructive.
Leads me to believe that somehow love is what determines true
intelligence.
God is love. Who is more intelligent than God?
(And, who is more " omnipresent" than Kerry? ;D ;) )
If people experienced love, knew and understood what it is,
would they be able to do the things ISIS does? I think it is
love that is missing in their lives, not intelligence as we
think of intelligence.
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Kerry Date: July 29, 2015, 7:37 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=312.msg2714#msg2714
date=1438211776]
I guess it all depends on what you mean by intelligence. God's
outlook on intelligence is likely much different than ours. Too
much high IQ often breeds evil, instead of being used for good.
Is it better to be 'simple' and obedient and trusting of God, or
is it better to be highly intelligent and think that you ARE
God? [/quote]
People are often afraid of people with high IQs. I can tell you
that from personal experience. They're afraid of being
outwitted. It most certainly is true that some bright people
can become very bad people; but as a rule, fewer of them do
than the less intelligent.
People have seldom told me to my face they didn't want to be
around me because I was intelligent; but I'd get that
impression. Then I wondered about them. Why were they afraid
of me when I no bad intentions towards them? Then I wondered if
maybe they themselves liked to play tricks people and get away
with it -- and figured they couldn't with me.
I argue that wanting to deceive others or commit crimes is not
intelligent. Betraying someone who is your friend is downright
stupid. I also believe the longer someone tries to do shady
things the dumber they will become. Life becomes too
complicated for them. Just trying to remember all the lies some
people tell would confuse me immensely.
Statistics say there is a correlation between crime and IQ.
Scientists are still arguing over why that is so. Here is an
abstract
HTML https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=183065<br
/>about an article on the topic -- emphasis mine.
In arguing that IQ is a significant cause of crime, the
researchers cite studies to indicate that criminal populations
generally have an average IQ of about 92, 8 points below the
mean. They also note that the relationship of IQ to criminality
is especially pronounced in a small fraction of the population,
primarily young men, who commit a disproportionate amount of
crime and that high intelligence provides some protection
against lapsing into criminality for persons who are otherwise
at risk. Nonetheless, explanations of crime based on race,
genetics, or biology have been shunned since the 1930's. From a
sociology of knowledge perspective, the idea that traits,
including IQ, are passed on through genes instead of through
cultural transmission (learned behavior) is considered by many
individuals to be empirically absurd and politically incorrect.
Hence, a significant amount of controversy has been generated by
researchers who contend that crime is based on low IQ. Critics
point out that crime rates vary dramatically between and even
within the same generation. They further indicate that, because
IQ is not likely to increase or decrease in such a short span of
time, IQ does not have a measurable bearing on crime. These
critics insist that explanations of crime must be found
elsewhere and emphasize traditional theories linking
environmental factors such as culture, socioeconomic status,
neighborhood, and peers with crime and delinquency. Many
criminologists argue that intellectually disadvantaged persons
are not more likely to commit crimes and indicate that efforts
to link IQ, race, genetics, or biology to crime result in
mean-spirited and repressive policy conclusions.
I say pretending it's not true also leads to more bad results
and "repressive policy conclusions." Telling people, "Go get
an education" may be cruel, in fact, if what they need is a
low-skill job. It may have been "evil" for the US to want
to export all the "bad" jobs to poorer countries and then expect
everyone in America to get educated and have great jobs.
[quote]And, we know that wisdom and intelligence are two
different things. A man can be 'book- smart', but be the
biggest moron around, not understanding the simplest of things
that create love and harmony, the things that truly bind and
unite people.[/quote]I argue the two are connected. Without
wisdom, a person's mind, no matter how bright it may be, will
begin to grow dim; and a person who is not initially bright, if
he attains wisdom, will begin to become more intelligent.
[quote]Creatures are designed to be intelligent at being what
God intended them to be. Their specific brand of intelligence
helps them survive.
Only man is intelligent enough to conceive of global destruction
and potentially carry it out.
And, how "intelligent" is that?[/quote]
I don't think that's intelligent; and I also think if the
average person on the street doesn't wise up and start acting
more intelligent, the unscrupulous leaders who could produce
global destruction just may do it. One of the most pressing
problems in the world is who people trust. Everywhere you
turn it seems we see people putting their faith in wicked men
who gain power by using the old "divide and conquer" tactic.
Is it intelligent to believe a politician who says, "I'm like
you, and I'll fight for you against those other bad people." I
don't think it is. I think if I trusted someone like that, I'd
be failing to obey the Golden Rule -- wanting more rights and
privileges for myself at others' expenses. In the end, that's
stupid. It creates problems of all sorts; and it has that
potential to end all life. What could be more stupid?
The appeal of bad leaders is emotional, catering to our bad
sides which often crave partiality.
[quote]Without love, there is a point where intelligence becomes
very dangerous, and, ironically, even
self-destructive.[/quote]That's what I believe. If we use
intelligence the wrong way, it becomes stupidity.
[quote]Leads me to believe that somehow love is what determines
true intelligence.[/quote]
I see Love, Wisdom, and Power as three aspects of one thing.
Someone is as strong as his weakest point; and if he is strong
in power and wisdom (or intelligence) but fails to act lovingly,
the wisdom and power will begin to deteriorate.
One thing I've noticed in life is how the lack of curiosity
affects people. I say if you care about people, love them, you
will want to understand them; so you will have to listen to what
they say, observe what they do, and try to figure out how best
to fit with them. Love, if it really is love, forces us to
try to understand -- and that is certainly a factor in
intelligence, isn't it?
[quote]If people experienced love, knew and understood what it
is, would they be able to do the things ISIS does? I think it
is love that is missing in their lives, not intelligence as we
think of intelligence.[/quote]
I'd say maybe it's both; but surely not all terrorists are
stupid.
Perhaps they've given up on love. The way their men treat
women suggests to me they have. This too is stupid to me. No
matter how times others have betrayed or disappointed you in
love, if love is what you want, then you must assume there are
other people like you who want love too. I'd kill myself if I
thought no one else in this world wanted love. I wouldn't
want to be in it -- or maybe I'd rage and turn to violence.
Who knows? But it's stupid to think, if love is what you want,
that you should give up on it. If you do that, for sure you'll
never have it. This is like the person who gets frustrated
because he can't fix something on his car so he smashes the
windshield. A clever person knows his frustration is the
result of caring about the car, so why pretend he doesn't care
and smash the windshield?
I think the smart thing to do, when disappointed and betrayed,
is to evaluate the situation without trying to blame others,
putting the emotions aside temporarily. "What if anything did I
do wrong? Were there warning signals I should have seen?
Should I have known better than to trust these people?" For
me, "bad emotions" tell me to sit up and take notice --
something isn't going right. I should pay attention just the
way I do if I feel pain when my hand gets in fire. What we
call negative emotions are there for a reason just as pain is.
Striking out randomly at others is counterproductive and not
intelligent. Even if you don't care about others, it's
almost always stupid to strike out at them since they'll apt to
strike back at you -- and that may add to your problems.
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Piper Date: July 30, 2015, 12:16 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Kerry,
First, I'm not afraid of your high IQ or intelligence. While all
that has its advantages, I think your heart is what matters, and
I think you have a good heart. If you force me to think, I
might learn something new. If you go over my head, so what? I
don't have to understand everything to have faith in you as a
friend.
What you said about some people needing (or being happiest with)
a low-skill job makes sense. I think it sucks that so many
honest jobs have been exported.
Yes, the world needs better leaders, leaders with good morals
and strong motivation. Finding such leaders may be difficult
in a country such as ours, so ruled by money.
Not many people know how to listen. It's become a thing with
me. A trigger. My dad calls and wants to bark at me, expects
me to hear him, but he tunes out when I try to talk to him.
Doctors just want you to listen to them and agree so they can
move on to the next patient, the next 15 minute appointment.
When you hire someone to work for you, they don't even want to
listen to your legitimate concerns. The whole world is in a mad
rush, and listening takes time that no one is willing to give.
Everyone is distracted and multi-tasking. I'm starting to get
really impatient about people not listening to me. I wrote my
dad and told him to not call me anymore, but to go back to
writing letters-- and he thus far has ignored my letter. I
don't want to deal with doctors at all. I dread needing to hire
anyone to do anything.
Sorry. Off topic. I'm honestly not very well-versed in
politics. But I do know that intelligence has little to do with
how 'good' a person is. There are so many factors that make
each of us who we are. Who can sort it all out?
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Kerry Date: July 30, 2015, 2:56 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=312.msg2720#msg2720
date=1438276574]
First, I'm not afraid of your high IQ or intelligence. While all
that has its advantages, I think your heart is what matters, and
I think you have a good heart. If you force me to think, I
might learn something new. If you go over my head, so what? I
don't have to understand everything to have faith in you as a
friend.
What you said about some people needing (or being happiest with)
a low-skill job makes sense. I think it sucks that so many
honest jobs have been exported. [/quote]
Add to that the federal program that tries to seduce bright
people from other countries to immigrate here by an easy visa
system. Then there is the problem of the bright people wanting
to stay here if educated here. There is a brain drain from
some countries since people who are bright and educated in
richer countries don't see much opportunity i if they return to
their own countries. I know a guy from Egypt whose sister was
a doctor. If she worked in Egypt, she could hardly make a
living. It didn't make sense for her to live there when she
could work somewhere else.
We see how Obama's uncle chose not to return to Kenya. He
preferred to work here even though his visa was expired and he
had to work at convenience -- after receiving a first rate
university education. If he had returned to Kenya, maybe he
would have had a more prestigious job, but what would it have
paid?
[quote]Not many people know how to listen. It's become a thing
with me. A trigger. My dad calls and wants to bark at me,
expects me to hear him, but he tunes out when I try to talk to
him. Doctors just want you to listen to them and agree so they
can move on to the next patient, the next 15 minute appointment.
When you hire someone to work for you, they don't even want to
listen to your legitimate concerns. The whole world is in a mad
rush, and listening takes time that no one is willing to give.
Everyone is distracted and multi-tasking. I'm starting to get
really impatient about people not listening to me. I wrote my
dad and told him to not call me anymore, but to go back to
writing letters-- and he thus far has ignored my letter. I
don't want to deal with doctors at all. I dread needing to hire
anyone to do anything.[/quote]When you see this happening, you
can be fairly sure they want to live in their own little worlds
-- they don't want to face reality. They believe it's easier
to make up their minds about everything without getting the
facts or any input from others. This is willful ignorance and
self-imposed stupidity. Feel sorry for such people. They are
not happy and never will be. They're apt to do the craziest
things; and the more they shut reality out, the crazier they
become.
You probably heard about the policeman just indicted for murder
in Ohio. True, it wasn't very wise for the black driver to say
he didn't do anything wrong and decide to drive off. It hadn't
been very wise for him to be driving without a license plate on
the front of his car -- he said he had it inside the car.
Stupid to be driving without a license -- and that is the reason
he gave for not giving the officer his license. I can only
think he wanted to buy the bottle of gin and thus took chances.
At least the bottle of gin didn't look opened!
But the officer was dumber yet when he took out his gun and shot
the man in the head. What was he thinking of? He had a body
camera on that captured it all; but he still lied about it, and
another policeman also went along with the lie. Did they lie
deliberately or did their minds make them see what they wanted
to see?
Then the victim's mother weighed in. She said her son did
absolutely nothing wrong. This too was a stupid statement; and
I think we can see she's living in her own fantasy world about
her son and probably has been for years. It's also safe to
think if she had been more alert, perhaps she could have
prevented the tragedy by teaching better when he was young. I
know of cases where blacks were accused when they did absolutely
nothing wrong, and one case where a completely innocent woman
was shot. They do exist; and most black parents tell their
children to be cautious. So what if a "bad cop" pulls you over
for a bad reason? Why inflame him and put your life at risk?
I think that's what responsible black parents do if they are
intelligent and truly caring.
I don't buy into the theory that people retreat into fantasyland
because of what others have done to them. I think they talk
about excuses a lot -- things that excuse their own bad
behavior. They retreat into lala-land out of guilt; and if they
have to invent stuff to justify their own bad behavior and
attitudes, so be it.
About your father, if my memory is right, I have to wonder why
he stood by and did so little about how your mother treated you.
If my memory is right, I think he was willing to tune all that
out, and he may even have felt more loved by you if you were
felt separated from your mother. I could be wrong; but wonder
about such dynamics. It's a horrible thing to say but I wonder
if he was glad about it, perhaps even secretly encouraged it. I
wonder too if he "sympathized" with your mother when alone with
her about how bad you were. I wasn't there, so I can't say I
know; but there are people like that. If he felt guilty about
it, perhaps he found it useful to shut out what others say.
I'm not saying bad things never happen to good people; but
people with guilty consciences often bring down trouble on
themselves and the people around them. Confusion and chaos
reign, and no one knows what's going on.
[quote]Sorry. Off topic. I'm honestly not very well-versed in
politics. But I do know that intelligence has little to do with
how 'good' a person is. There are so many factors that make
each of us who we are. Who can sort it all out?
[/quote]Studying politics is one way of learning about the
"serpent" mind. Be gentle as the dove, Jesus said, but he also
said to be wise as the serpent. I almost always smile when I
read that Jesus called Herod a fox. There is no malevolence in
the statement -- just the truth. And if you don't want to be
a victim of the fox, you have to outfox him.
Perhaps a thread about the politics in the book of Matthew would
be in order. Jesus appears to be putting steady pressure on
the Jewish and Roman leaders if you read it from the political
angle.
On the other matter, there actually is but a tiny difference
between a mentally handicapped person and a genius when you look
at intelligence from the broad perspective --very tiny -- but we
humans put a huge emphasis on the tiniest differences. Most
people are intelligent enough to function in society and
function well too.
Emotional state may be a bigger factor than innate intelligence.
The lower someone sinks emotionally, the more irrational they
become. It's almost impossible to get someone who's angry to
tell the truth even if they know it. They're too bent on trying
to say something injurious. Someone who's chronically
depressed is not willing to see anything that might break him
out of his depression. He will seek out details in society
that justify his own depression. That is one reason old people
often love newspapers. They are full of alarming stories, and
the world appears far worse than it is since so few stories are
upbeat or about positive things. These old people are
hunkering down in their homes, afraid to leave or even come out
except to pick up the paper. And the news stories tell them,
"You're right to wall yourself up."
I think emotions do affect intelligence. Almost any kind of
stress can since it affects people. Even women's menstrual
cycles affect their scores on IQ tests. "Visual reaction time"
is also affected -- the ability to spot objects and respond to
them. But women do better at the Stroop test then -- where
you name the color you see while the word says something else.
It's harder than you think, at least it is for me. If you want
to give it a go, here's a link.
HTML https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/ready.html
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Piper Date: July 30, 2015, 3:27 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]^That was fun. I found quickly that I had to
block out the word and focus only on the color of the first
letter. Still, it was an effort to see only what I wanted to
see.[/font]
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Piper Date: July 30, 2015, 4:06 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]As for my parents, I've given up figuring
them out. My mom was raised in an orphanage after her father
died and her mother couldn't afford to keep the kids at home.
My dad's father was a railroader and my dad has nothing good to
say about his father or his brothers. (He used to warn me to
never marry a railroad man. Ha. Isn't it funny that I did just
that? He never told me why, so I never took it seriously.
Kevin and I seemed destined to meet, he loved trains, and my
uncle helped get him on the railroad when he was just 18 years
old. Railroading can be very hard on family life. Kevin worked
hard to make time for family, but it sounds like my dad's father
worked hard to make time for fishing--by himself.) My father
seemed to care for his mother and sister, though. He was the
youngest of the four children. Both my parents have always been
very private, and I don't know many details about their
childhoods. I tell myself now that they didn't have very good
role models and they hopefully did the best they could. Does no
good to agonize over the past. God, perhaps, understands, but I
never will. People are incredibly complex. For years I have
just tried to love them, but . . . they don't always make it
easy. I try to focus on the good memories, and forget the ugly
stuff. At least the nightmares never bother me anymore. I
think they love me; it's just very awkward. And they're so old
now . . .
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: CatholicCrusader Date: July 31, 2015, 9:12 am
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[quote]Many people today believe "all men are created
equal".........[/quote]
In context, that is meant to say that all are equal in the site
of God. He loves all the same.
Also, in America, it means all are equal under the law.
But obviously, all are not equal in IQ, or strength, or talents,
etc.
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: Piper Date: July 31, 2015, 11:20 am
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[quote] . . . all are equal in the site of God.[/quote]
God has a site?!
Oh man, do you have the web address? That is one site I wanna
join!
(Sorry. I couldn't resist. :P Wouldn't THAT be awesome.)
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Re: IQ and the Economics of Nations
By: CatholicCrusader Date: July 31, 2015, 2:24 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=312.msg2727#msg2727
date=1438359609]
God has a site?!
Oh man, do you have the web address? That is one site I wanna
join!
(Sorry. I couldn't resist. :P Wouldn't THAT be awesome.)
[/quote]
Now we're even, after your "RICA". :P
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