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Re: Out of INTO
By: Helen Date: December 13, 2014, 8:34 pm
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AMEN!!
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Re: Out of INTO
By: Amadeus Date: December 13, 2014, 9:01 pm
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[font=courier]I could of course carry this further, but I won't
because after all, who am I? What do I know? I do know some
right things, but some of the things I think I know, I only
believe and I may be wrong in them. If I knew which ones were
which, I would want to correct the wrong ones now, wouldn't I?
Give God the glory![/font]
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Re: Out of INTO
By: Kerry Date: December 13, 2014, 9:05 pm
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I ask why when Jesus spoke of punishment, he threatened his own
servants with the harshest penalties?
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Re: Out of INTO
By: Amadeus Date: December 13, 2014, 9:13 pm
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[quote author=Danger Mouse link=topic=31.msg418#msg418
date=1418526325]
I ask why when Jesus spoke of punishment, he threatened his own
servants with the harshest penalties?
[/quote]
[font=courier]Perhaps because they had received so much that
much more was required of them. The harsher penalty would not be
because they did not have the means to do better, but because
they failed to use or properly use what they had.[/font]
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Re: Out of INTO
By: A nonny mouse Date: December 13, 2014, 10:08 pm
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I realise that I am odd man out but then RCF exists for
oddities.
IMO God is to be worshipped in the very simplest of childlike
trust and faith rather than on the basis of human presumptions
of his detailed plan for mankind.
Much of mankind has a conviction of God and then spoils that
conviction by presuming to be able to define God into various
religions based on their written definitions.
This has gone on with confusion and without conclusion since the
beginning of time which is why I fall back on nothing more than
the worship of God in the very simplest of childlike trust and
faith.
The most detailed presumption that falls within my childlike
trust is that God, in his appointed time ‘came’ amongst us ‘in
the flesh’ in the person of Jesus Christ in order to thereafter
remain within us ‘in the spirit’.
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Re: Out of INTO
By: Amadeus Date: December 14, 2014, 9:28 am
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[quote author=A nonny mouse link=topic=31.msg425#msg425
date=1418530114]
I realise that I am odd man out but then RCF exists for
oddities.
IMO God is to be worshipped in the very simplest of childlike
trust and faith rather than on the basis of human presumptions
of his detailed plan for mankind.[/quote]
[font=courier]Yes, it may boil down to that, but for those who
are able due what God has provided to them, would they not be
amiss by effectively burying their talent(s) rather than using
them?[/font]
[quote]Much of mankind has a conviction of God and then spoils
that conviction by presuming to be able to define God into
various religions based on their written definitions.[/quote]
[font=courier]Forget for a moment about much of mankind and
relate simply to you, yourself, my friend. Some (most?) perhaps
will necessarily follow the lead of others, but isn't it so that
some (many, all?) have been given gifts by God and choose ignore
them at their own peril?[/font]
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Re: Out of INTO
By: Kerry Date: December 14, 2014, 9:54 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=31.msg419#msg419
date=1418526783]
[font=courier]Perhaps because they had received so much that
much more was required of them. The harsher penalty would not be
because they did not have the means to do better, but because
they failed to use or properly use what they had.[/font]
[/quote]I think so. To whom much is given, much is required.
Luke 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise
steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to
give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall
find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over
all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth
his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens,
and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh
not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut
him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the
unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared
not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten
with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of
stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever
much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men
have committed much, of him they will ask the more
Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked
and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed
not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the
exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine
own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him
which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall
have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away
even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness:
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Re: Out of INTO
By: A nonny mouse Date: December 14, 2014, 10:33 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=31.msg429#msg429
date=1418570898]
[font=courier]Yes, it may boil down to that, but for those who
are able due what God has provided to them, would they not be
amiss by effectively burying their talent(s) rather than using
them?[/font]
[font=courier]Forget for a moment about much of mankind and
relate simply to you, yourself, my friend. Some (most?) perhaps
will necessarily follow the lead of others, but isn't it so that
some (many, all?) have been given gifts by God and choose ignore
them at their own peril?[/font]
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I choose to no longer nail flags to the mast of my faith in
respect of which I have developed doubts.
Better not to fly flags than to promote things that now seem to
me that they might well be of human manufacture.
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Re: Out of INTO
By: James Date: December 14, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Helen- How "saved" were the Children of Israel when the were
called "out of" Egypt...yet only two of those who came 'out of'
Egypt went INTO the Promised land?
If as some believe all men get to be saved then as you say Helen
what were they saved from, not eternal punishment and not their
own selves since it was their own selves that caused them to
fall in the wilderness.
As Ivor says the word saved means blessed, health, prosperity.
Well they all got that for a time at least in the wilderness. Is
it like the rich man and the poor man the rich had it good in
this life and now its the turn of the poor chap in the next
life. I must say that seems a little harsh to me and gets me
heading back towards christians who believe that "we should not
be rich".
I think I am now starting to waffle.
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Re: Out of INTO
By: Helen Date: December 14, 2014, 1:44 pm
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[quote]Quote James...Is it like the rich man and the poor man
the rich had it good in this life and now its the turn of the
poor chap in the next life. I must say that seems a little harsh
to me and gets me heading back towards christians who believe
that "we should not be rich".
[/quote]
James...I think, and I know you do too...that is all a "heart
thing" The rich did not share what he had...he just left crumbs
for him to eat. And as for the other rich man...maybe he went
away sorrowful as he had great riches, and did not want to give
any away and share!!
I am sure there have been many 'poor men' who have been just as
mean...with no 'heart'.
God is always a heart person!
Just a thought...
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