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ISIS defectors
By: Kerry Date: July 27, 2015, 10:46 pm
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I have been praying for people in ISIS to come to their senses
and defect. I think we should realize some of them do want to
leave but are afraid to. If they leave, ISIS wants to hunt them
down and kill them. What would you do if you got into that
situation and wanted to leave?
Two defectors are in the news now. I don't know if my prayers
worked or not; but I do ask others to pray too. I think prayers
are also needed on how defectors are treated.
Jihadi John has deserted. No one seems to know why. But it's
not safe for him to defect to coalition forces. From
haaretz.com
HTML http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.668127:
26-year-old Mohammed Emwazi, it seems, fears both the U.S.-led
coalition forces and as his own comrades in ISIS, who think he
is has outlived his usefulness.
Emwazi reportedly fled Syria and Iraq a few weeks ago and was
heading for North Africa, reported the Daily Express. It is also
possible he has joined a different radical Islamic group
fighting in Syria, and is keeping a low profile; a U.S.
intelligence source was quoted as saying he was hiding in Libya.
- - -
He is wanted by coalition forces for the murders of journalists
Stephen Sotloff and James Foley, and aid workers David Haines,
Alan Henning and Peter Kassig. He is also believed responsible
for the killing of Japan’s Kenji Goto.
Whether other ISIS comrades are simply jealous of his notoriety,
or whether he is considered to be too important a target for the
coalition and being near him is now too dangerous, it seems that
he is no longer wanted amongst his former comrades.
Then there is the Australian case where the man says he was
forced into the situation according to smh.com
HTML http://www.smh.com.au/national/melbourne-nurse-adam-brookman-charged-with-terror-offences-20150726-gikn6d.htmlsmh.com:
Brookman surrendered himself to Turkish officials in Turkey last
Tuesday and was arrested on Friday night when he arrived at
Sydney International Airport in the company of authorities.
He was extradited from Sydney to Melbourne on Saturday evening.
He was escorted from the plane into a waiting vehicle on the
tarmac.
Court documents have shown that Mr Brookman, a father of five,
is alleged to have undertaken guard duty and reconnaissance for
Islamic State while he was in Syria.
He did not apply for bail and was remanded in custody ahead of
an expected filing hearing on Monday, the ABC reported.
The AFP's Melbourne joint counter-terrorism team also charged Mr
Brookman with performing services with intention of supporting a
person to engage in a hostile activity in a foreign state.
I don't see the point of charging people with crimes if they
want to quit ISIS and surrender. In any kind of war situation,
your goal should be to have the other side surrender. It
shouldn't be to punish people. If the goal is to punish or
kill them, you are making it harder for them to quit. That is
counterproductive.
Now of course, I'm not advocating turning them loose either. I
doubt they'd want that themselves since they'd be targets
themselves of any wannabe homegrown terrorist. They should
definitely be detained and debriefed. They also may have
valuable information that could save lives too. Why take a
confrontational and prosecutorial attitude if taking a
cooperative and merciful attitude could saves lives? Yes,
maybe their past actions did result in the deaths of others, so
why not give them the opportunity to save lives by cooperating?
I am convinced the right approach is to make it easy for people
to defect, to treat them humanely while debriefing them until
it's known what the facts are. If they want to stop killing
people, I don't see any point in wanting to kill them. I know
that is how things were done during World War II when it wasn't
known if someone was really defecting or trying to do something
else.
We made a horrible mistake in Iraq at the beginning when we said
anyone who had been a member of the Ba'ath Party could not hold
positions of influence. We seemed not to know that many of the
people in Saddam's regime didn't really like him. They joined
his party because that's how they got jobs. We went in there
and fired lots of people; and then they all hated us. Lots of
them had military experience too. Being unemployed and
resentful, it was natural they turned to trying to form
opposition groups.
The best thing to do in such cases is to go after the big guys
mostly, and have a lenient attitude towards everyone else. If
you topple a government, the best thing to do is to shoot the
worst people as fast as possible and then start doing other
things. It's silly to have show trials. Just shoot the losers
who were the big troublemakers and get it over with. When
other people see you're not arresting and killing other people,
they'll feel safe and have no reason to rebel; but if they do
rebel, they know you will simply shoot them if you catch them.
The idea of putting people on trial for war crimes started with
Roosevelt -- I say Churchill was right when he said just shoot
them and be done with it.
Please pray that the governments fighting ISIS take a more
lenient approach that encourages ISIS fighters to defect.
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Re: ISIS defectors
By: Piper Date: July 28, 2015, 12:56 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]Will pray people defect and are treated
humanely.[/font]
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Re: ISIS defectors
By: Kerry Date: July 28, 2015, 7:00 am
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Thanks, Piper. I do hope many of them will want to stop.
There may be some hope. President Muhammed Buhari of Nigeria
seems to be on the right track. I'd like to know what he and
President Obama talked about when they met recently; but Buhari
is trying to get other countries together, and he's also taking
a sane approach about fighters who want to defect.
We've heard the horrible things that happened to kidnapped
girls; but Boko Haram also kidnaps boys and forces them to do
all kinds of things. Some perform menial tasks, others are
forced to act as fighters. Put a gun in a child's hands and
tell him, "Shoot that person, or we'll shoot you" and odds are
the child is going to pull the trigger. They're told to kill
for food. They feel worthless and unable to return to society.
Their minds can get very twisted about by such tactics.
From qz.com, June 11, 2015
HTML http://qz.com/425628/nigeria-needs-a-bringbackourboys-campaign-too/:
Nigerian president Muhammadu Buhari has just held an impromptu
summit of regional leaders, to devise a new military campaign
against Boko Haram, following up on his inaugural pledge to take
the fight to the terrorist group. Such a rethinking is long
overdue, but the leaders who met at Abuja airport must also
start articulating a post-war scenario that allows many Boko
Haram fighters to be reintegrated into society.
As I’ve argued before, a plan to rehabilitate former fighters is
crucial to winning the war against militant groups. Boko Haram
has anywhere between 7,000 and 10,0000 regular fighters, and no
military campaign against them can—or should—envisage killing
them all. Nor can Nigeria and its neighbors incarcerate
thousands of fighters.
More important, Boko Haram’s fighters don’t all deserve to be
treated alike. Many are themselves victims of terror: child
soldiers, abducted from their families and forced to join the
ranks of the “holy” warriors. Although it is hard to know
exactly how many, nongovernmental agencies estimate they number
at least in the hundreds. (Some estimates suggest fully 40% of
fighters are children.) The group has published videos of
training camps where children, called the “Cubs of the
Caliphate,” are trained to fight.
Some may be hard to find and bring back, but perhaps other less
so. Later in June, there was an article at thisdaylive.com
HTML http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/over-100-captured-boko-haram-suspects-transferred-to-unknown-locations/213359/<br
/>about 100 boys who had been captured:
“These Boko Haram boys were all captured from the bush (Sambisa
forest). They did not have a hold anywhere any longer but were
just running in the bush with or without riffles because they
did not have anything to eat or drink again. They were so tired
and battle-weary that it was easy to capture them alive."
With the training now of young girls as suicide bombers,
surely the message has to get out that if you're given a bomb
and told to go blow yourself up, don't do it. Don't kill
yourself along with innocent people. Find a policeman and tell
him your story. It's so horrible I almost find it impossible to
believe. July 27, 2015 -- Time
HTML http://time.com/3972686/boko-haram-nigeria-damaturu-suicide-bomb/<br
/>says:
A 10-year old girl killed 16 people in a suicide bombing in the
northeastern Nigeria city of Damaturu on Sunday.
The girl detonated her explosives next to a crowded market as
shoppers were being screened by security services. According to
the BBC, around 50 people were injured.
The city has already faced two other suicide bombings in July
alone.
Although Boko Haram hasn’t claimed responsibility for the
attacks, the Islamist group has carried out a string of similar
bombings recently. The renewed violence comes after Nigerian
forces successfully pushed the group back earlier this year in a
concerted offensive.
I think children need to be taught in schools and homes before
they're kidnapped that it's safe to turn yourself in if
terrorists kidnap you and force you to do things you don't want
to do.
What about adults? The article at qz.com says:
And what of the grown-ups? Some of them deserve special
consideration, too. Abiola-Costello pointed out that many
rank-and-file fighters come from desperately poor communities,
and only joined Boko Haram because it offered them a path out of
poverty. “Boko Haram gives them money every month, a salary, a
place to belong,” she said. “It’s a sign of a failure of
government. That’s our failure, we must take responsibility for
that.”
Obviously, it will be hard to tell the hardcore terrorists from
the reluctant fighters. One way to find out, Abiola-Costello
said, is to consult the communities that have been terrorized by
Boko Haram: “In the communities, people know who were the Boko
Haram fundamentalists, who were abducted boys and girls, who
were from Al Majari [Koranic schools]. ” The sooner Buhari and
other leaders start that conversation, the smoother the
transition will be.
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Re: ISIS defectors
By: bradley Date: July 28, 2015, 8:24 am
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Saul persecuted christians and approved their deaths before
converting, I would be glad to pray for the conversions of ISIS
defectors.
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