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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 9, 2015, 2:53 pm
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Ben Carson advocated for a flat tax system at the debate and
cited the Bible. From the CBS
HTML http://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-of-the-2015-gop-debate-9-pm/<br
/>transcript:
CARSON: What I agree with is that we need a significantly
changed taxation system. And the one that I've advocated is
based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair guy.
And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter
how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe me
triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe
me no tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about
that.
And that's why I've advocated a proportional tax system. You
make $10 billion, you pay a billion. You make $10, you pay one.
And everybody gets treated the same way. And you get rid of the
deductions, you get rid of all the loopholes, and...
I have major problems with that. First of all, who gets to
decide what deductions and loopholes are allowable? Secondly,
this appears to be a gambit to benefit the rich while raising
the tax rate on the poor and middle class.
I also object to his using this from the Bible to make his case.
First of all, income on work was not taxed by the tithe system.
God never wanted part of anyone's income. If you worked for
it, you kept it. The tithe applied only to the increase a
farmer had -- and God does most of the work there. God
provided the rain, the earth, and the sun. Furthermore it
applied only to the Land of Israel which God gave to Israel.
If you farmed outside of Israel, you didn't pay a tithe on it.
I also object to this because of how the tithe was used.
People contributed it, yes, but everyone had a good time. It was
not a tax the way our governments have taxes. It was even
acceptable to buy booze out of the tithe money.
Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for
whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or
for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul
desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and
thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
I lean toward Huckabee's idea. Get rid of the IRS. Reduce the
size of government, and get rid of this oppressive agency which
can be and has been used as a political weapon. Huckabee
said:
HUCKABEE: It's not too big to shrink. But the problem is we have
a Wall Street-to-Washington access of power that has controlled
the political climate. The donor class feeds the political class
who does the dance that the donor class wants. And the result is
federal government keeps getting bigger.
Every person on this stage who has been a governor will tell
that you the biggest fight they had was not the other party.
Wasn't even the legislature. It was the federal government, who
continually put mandates on the states that we had to suck up
and pay for.
And the fact is there are a lot of things happening at the
federal level that are absolutely beyond the jurisdiction of the
Constitution. This is power that should be shifted back to the
states, whether it's the EPA, there is no role at the federal
level for the Department of Education.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
HUCKABEE: And I'm still one who says that we can get rid of the
Internal Revenue Service if we would pass the fair tax, which is
a tax on consumption rather than a tax on people's income, and
move power back where the founders believed it should have been
all along.
If you want more of something, don't tax it. If you want less
of something, tax it. Why tax income in the first place? Why
not get rid of the IRS and have a consumption tax on
non-essential products? If the rich want to buy fancy things
costing hundreds of millions of dollars, let them -- and get the
taxes when people have money and spend it.
Trump's idea of raising import taxes also makes sense although I
don't like his idea of a flat tax on everything. After all, if
we can't grow bananas here, why tax it when it comes into the
country? Taxing imports is how the founding fathers did it;
and I think we need to return to it.
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But a little more about Carson's religion. I wonder how the
evangelicals look at this? In the past when they couldn't put
up their own candidates, they would support Catholics; but the
Southern Baptists seemed to have a problem with him being a
Seventh Day Adventist back in April. The Southern Baptists
should have been embarrassed; but Carson behaved with dignity.
Carson had been scheduled to address a pastors conference in
Ohio; but a group of young pastors raised a fuss, and now he's
not going. From Christianity Today
HTML http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/april/southern-baptist-pastors-wont-hear-ben-carson-calvinists.html:
The mostly Calvinist preachers objected to the beliefs of
Carson’s booming Seventh-day Adventist Church—including the
claim that worshiping on Sunday is sin and the idea that sinners
who are barred from heaven will be annihilated rather than sent
to hell.
They also objected to a statement made on Easter by Carson that
Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all God’s children.
“Certainly, we do not all worship the same God—we worship the
Trinity whom Muslims and Jews would deny,” leaders of Baptist21
wrote on their blog. “And, the idea that we are all God’s
children is at best the type of liberalism the Conservative
Resurgence sought to address, and at worst, it is universalism.”
Politics also played a role in Carson’s withdrawal.
Jonathan Akin, a leader of Baptist21 and pastor of Fairview
Church near Nashville, said he was concerned about Southern
Baptists being too closely tied to the Republican Party.
“I’d suggest that we not invite any politicians to speak in the
future,” he said in a phone interview.
I wonder if this was over disagreement with Carson's religion,
or if it was a subtle form of racism? Who knows?
Of course, if Carson got the nomination, odds are that many
Southern Baptists would be more than happy to endorse him.
Remember the fellow from Texas who said Mormonism was a cult
and that Mormons aren't Christians wound up endorsing Mitt
Romney? From Huffington Post
HTML http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17/robert-jeffress-mitt-romney-endorsement_n_1433215.html:
The Southern Baptist pastor who last October called Mormonism a
cult and said Mitt Romney is not a Christian is now endorsing
the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
The pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, the Rev.
Robert Jeffress, tells The Associated Press that he still
doesn't believe Mormons are Christians.
But Jeffress says voters will have to choose between a Christian
like President Barack Obama and a Mormon like Romney. He says
the difference is that Obama embraces non-biblical principles
while Romney embraces biblical principles like the sanctity of
life and the sanctity of marriage.
Given that choice, Jeffress says he believes Christians should
support Romney in November "in spite of his Mormon faith."
Jeffress says that there are no perfect candidates – and no
perfect pastors either.
If the Southern Baptists are holding their breath hoping
Huckabee is a strong candidate, I think they're going to be
mightily disappointed. Why make inflammatory statements now
and then decide to back the guy you were running down before?
Why did they schedule an event in the first place if Carson is
such a "bad" person for being a Seventh Day Adventist?
Are the Southern Baptists making an exit from politics? Liberty
University isn't. They got Jeb Bush to go deliver the
commencement address in May. Ha, ha, even Bernie Sanders is
going to Liberty University; and he plans to talk about the
inequity of wealth distribution.
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is also slated to
address the school in October during the fall schedule.
"Liberty University was kind enough to invite me to address a
convocation and I decided to accept," Sanders said in a
statement through his campaign.
The event, which undergraduates are required to attend, often
draws in excess of 12,000 attendees.
"It goes without saying that my views on many issues — women's
rights, gay rights, education and many other issues — are very
different from the opinions of some in the Liberty University
community," continued Sanders, who has accused conservative
Christian organizations in the past of "gay bashing."
"I think it is important, however, to see if we can reach
consensus regarding the grotesque level of income and wealth
inequality in our country, about the collapse of the middle
class, about the high level of childhood poverty, about climate
change and other issues."
Read more at
HTML http://www.christianpost.com/news/bernie-sanders-to-speak-at-liberty-university-hillarys-rival-says-he-wants-consensus-with-christians-on-wealth-inequality-142416/#POFyoXFZ452zOpZp.99
Liberty University is an amazing place. Their size has
ballooned under the federal grant and loan programs. They can
thank the Democrats for that, I guess. From the Washington Post
HTML http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/15/liberty-university-a-hub-of-conservative-politics-owes-rapid-growth-to-federal-student-loans/?postshare=5701436966771766:<br
/>
Most of the university’s dramatic growth has come through
distance education, and its online students now make up most of
Liberty’s student body. Three-quarters of undergraduates and 97
percent of graduate students at Liberty study exclusively
through distance education, according the American Federation of
Teachers.
But more astounding than the growth in students is the growth in
federal aid. Data from the State Council of Higher Education for
Virginia shows that federal aid has grown five times faster than
enrollment.
In the late 1990s, Liberty students received less than $20
million in aid. Students now receive over $800 million dollars a
year in federal aid.
As with any federal financial aid, the grants and loans are
awarded to students, not the university. Liberty does not
receive any other federal funds, but its growth has come by
attracting Christian students who qualify for aid.
Let's be serious. Anytime the government gets into something,
prices go up. It may sound like a good idea for the government
to subsidize eduction like this and to give lots of loans; but
we shouldn't be surprised then if the cost of college keeps
going up.
One reason for the school’s growth is the expansion of federal
aid in 2009. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (also
called “the stimulus”) increased Pell Grant funding by over $15
billion dollars, and 800,000 more students qualified for the
grants. Liberty students increased their total Pell Grants from
$18.7 million to $44.2 million, according to the National Center
for Education Statistics. Its students also qualified for
federal student loans. In 2008-09, Liberty undergraduates
received $92.7 million in federal loans. Four years later,
Liberty’s undergraduates received $241.4 million in federal
loans (2012-13 was the latest year of available data)
I'm waiting for one of the Presidential candidates to ask
Liberty University if they would would be in favor of repealing
these expansions of federal aid which seems to have benefited
them so much?
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Piper Date: August 9, 2015, 3:59 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Interesting, reading both you and CC.
Yes, Rubio's migrating faith is worrisome. Seems like shifting
loyalties for all the wrong reasons. Not a sign of stability.
Better to have a faithful SDA or Mormon, even if we don't agree
with all their beliefs, than someone who really seems to have no
definitive 'faith', other than the faith that choosing the right
religion will harvest votes.
Terry, I thought Hillary's husband was the "pathological liar."
What did she lie about, specifically?[/font]
[quote]Kerry: Trump will fall down sooner or later. He's apt
to say things which aren't true. He said one thing in the
debate that no one called him on. He said the Mexican
government is smarter than ours, so they send their criminals
here. He doesn't know much about the Mexican government.
They can't stop crime in their own country, they're not willing
to take the steps needed. The criminals that come here come
not because the Mexican government makes it too hot for them
down there -- they can't even keep a top drug king pin in
prison. They come here because our government does nothing to
stop them. They can go where they want when they want; and
there are "financial opportunities" for Mexican criminals in the
US. The Mexican President is about his own money and power --
he doesn't care about poverty or crime. I think you can see
that in the big flap about the mansion the President's wife was
trying to buy. Yes, she's good looking -- a soap opera star.
So she marries a politician. That situation reminds me of
Trump who married good looking women almost like you might buy
clothes or something. [/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]
All very sad.
Yes, it seems to me that putting Trump in the White House would
be kinda like putting Hugh Hefner there. :D I mean, how strong
could his morals be?
Sounds like Carson needs to brush up on his knowledge of tithing
before using it as an example.[/font]
[quote]Kerry: Why tax income in the first place? Why not get
rid of the IRS and have a consumption tax on non-essential
products? If the rich want to buy fancy things costing hundreds
of millions of dollars, let them -- and get the taxes when
people have money and spend it.[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]That sounds sensible to me.[/font]
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 9, 2015, 5:40 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=306.msg2833#msg2833
date=1439153956]
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Yes, Rubio's migrating faith is worrisome. Seems like shifting
loyalties for all the wrong reasons. Not a sign of stability.
Better to have a faithful SDA or Mormon, even if we don't agree
with all their beliefs, than someone who really seems to have no
definitive 'faith', other than the faith that choosing the right
religion will harvest votes. [/quote]Yes, I can see people
visiting other churches; but Rubio appears unable to make up his
mind.
[quote]Terry, I thought Hillary's husband was the "pathological
liar." What did she lie about, specifically?[/quote]
Glad you asked him that and not me. As I told one of my
friends, I stopped following the various stories about Hillary.
After her big whopper about being on an airplane that came
under sniper fire in Serbia
HTML http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html,<br
/> I don't give what she says much credence. When faced with th
e
facts, she admitted she "misspoke." ROFL!
She keeps saying how she's telling the truth and Ben Ghazi and
her emails, and Republicans say she isn't. It's all so
complicated, I decided I didn't have time for it. I figure
she's lying so why bother with all the details? Leave that up
to Congressman Issa and others.
[quote]Yes, it seems to me that putting Trump in the White House
would be kinda like putting Hugh Hefner there. :D I mean, how
strong could his morals be?[/quote]
He's quite casual for a Presbyterian. From CNN
HTML http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/:
"People are so shocked when they find ... out I am Protestant. I
am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my
church," he said.
Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God
for forgiveness for his actions.
"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job
from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do
something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't
bring God into that picture. I don't."
Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he
does participate in Holy Communion.
"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I
drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of
asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible
because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's
go on and let's make it right.'"
Okay, I guess that's possible. If he sincerely tries to do
better in the future, maybe God forgives him. In his favor,
it''s true he cheated on his first wife who divorced him; then
he married the woman he had been cheating with but he didn't
cheat on her. There were all kinds of allegations, but no real
evidence he had. They got divorced because she didn't think he
spent enough time with her.
I do wonder what is being taught in his Presbyterian church.
Has Trump ever heard about the Lord's Prayer where Jesus told
his disciples to ask the Father to forgive them?
[quote]Sounds like Carson needs to brush up on his knowledge of
tithing before using it as an example.[/quote]
I think that's probably what he's been taught. I believe the
SDA church is pretty emphatic about getting one tenth of all
income from members, including wages. They also appear confused
by the nature of the tithe. Ellen White wrote
HTML http://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/0/use-of-tithe/:
"The tithe is sacred, reserved by God for Himself. It is to be
brought into His treasury to be used to sustain the gospel
laborers in their work."-GW 226.
Perhaps Ellen White hadn't read Deuteronomy 14:22-29 that says
you can spend part of your tithe on strong drink if you want.
They're very opposed to drinking alcohol and just couldn't
believe it when they read it.
What concerns me about Carson is that he seems to think laws
should be based on his religious beliefs; and they don't seem
that sound to me. I like the man. He's a very friendly guy.
But I think he should stick to neurosurgery. He's really good at
that.
I can see a church strongly recommending to its members or even
laying it down to them that they need to contribute money if and
when they can; but that is a matter of policy or church law --
it can't be supported by the Jewish system of tithing the
increase of the land.
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 9, 2015, 7:13 pm
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Trump seems to be getting lots of people wound up, including
Cardinal Dolan who wrote an article in the NY Daily News
HTML http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/timothy-dolan-nativism-rears-big-haired-head-article-1.2307111<br
/>about Trump's comments about Mexicans:
During those happy days decades ago when I taught American
religious history to university students, I spent a chunk of
time in class on the ugly phenomenon called nativism, defined by
the scholar and author Ray Allen Billington as, “organized,
white, Protestant antagonism toward the Catholic immigrant.”
It flourished in our country during the 1840s and 1850s —
actually becoming a popular political party, the Know-Nothings —
and appeared again, in the 1870s, as the American Protective
Association; in the 1920s, as the KKK; and during post-World War
II America, as Protestants and Other Americans United for
Separation of Church and State.
These nativists believed the immigrant to be dangerous, and that
America was better off without them. All these poor degenerates
did, according to the nativists, was to dilute the clean,
virtuous, upright citizenry of God-fearing true Americans.
(Among other American minorities, it must be said, Catholics
like me often drew the ire of nativists.)
This seemed like like a little bit of a stretch to me. I don't
think Irish Catholics were committing crimes when they came here
and found discrimination; but it seems to me there are some
Mexicans here who are, and I don't know if I would even call
them Catholics. However, I told myself maybe Dolan knows
things he's not discussing.
Then a priest, named Father Mark Pilon weighed in on it at The
Catholic Thing
HTML http://, calling for Cardinal Dolan to apologize:
New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan has chosen to enter the
political fray by accusing Donald Trump, in a NY Daily News
column, of being a reincarnation of 19th century “Nativism.”
Why? Simply because Trump has made some rather harsh statements
related to illegal immigration at our southern border. I suspect
Trump would absolutely deny that he is anti-immigration, but he
readily asserts that this illegal migration is bringing a lot of
criminals into the country along with good people who are
entering the country illegally. Our government’s own statistics
tend to support that contention, and there are many Catholics
who lament the failure to secure the border.
But, by accusing Trump of being a “Nativist” because Trump
thinks that many of the illegals are dangerous criminals, the
cardinal is, at least implicitly, accusing Trump of being
anti-Catholic as well. The Cardinal, a historian, explicitly
defines Nativism in terms of being both anti-immigration and
anti-Catholic. His column states: (definition 1) “Nativists
believed the immigrant to be dangerous, and that America was
better off without them”; and adds (definition 2) that they
represented, “organized, white, Protestant antagonism toward the
Catholic immigrant.” And adds, “I wish I were in the college
classroom again, so I could roll out my ‘Trump card’ to show the
students that I was right. Nativism is alive, well – and
apparently popular!”
He skips over the critical factor or distinguishing character of
both Nativism and the Know Nothing party that embodied it
politically. The Nativists were indeed violently opposed to
Catholic immigration. They hated the Catholic Church and wanted
to keep the country free from Catholic influence, period.
Nativists may have accused the Catholic immigrants of being, as
Dolan states, “criminals and misfits” for political purposes,
but they would have opposed them even if the immigrants were
model citizens. They were Catholic; for the Nativists, that was
enough.
As if that wasn't complicated enough, Ann Coulter put her two
cents in. I don't always know when she's serious. Could she
possibly be serious when she said what she did on the Eagle's
Forum? It sounded awfully anti-Muslim and anti-Catholic.
“I would like to be the head of Donald Trump’s Homeland
Security,” Coulter said, adding, “I’ll get it all done before
breakfast” because she “could kind of guess who the criminals
are going to be at least 50 percent of the time.”
Without Trump in the race, she argues, no one would be talking
about immigration, and campaign platforms would focus solely on
“transgenderism and gay marriage and global warming.”
Coulter also discussed immigration, saying that previous
generations of immigrants were more suitable because “people
proved their heartiness to get here by vomiting all the way
across the Atlantic Ocean.”
“There was no pussyfooting around,” Coulter said of Ellis Island
immigrants, “We’re assimilating you, you’re here and you’re
going to be an American. There will be no celebration of Cinco
de Mayo, there will be no Ramadan, in fact there won’t even be a
Feast of the Immaculate Conception – we are an Anglo-Protestant
country, and you will learn about the Battle of Valley Forge.”
- See more at:
HTML http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/trumps-homeland-security-director-ann-coulter-pledges-protestant-only-holidays#sthash.aC9NrlNT.dpuf
She sounds like a "nativist" in that quote, and she's talking
about Trump. Is she saying she also thinks he's a nativist the
way Cardinal Dolan does? Or is that all hot air? This is all
very confusing.
For sure, some Protestants seem entranced with Trump. In an
article at Charisma News
HTML http://www.charismanews.com/politics/50889-is-god-using-donald-trump-to-wake-up-the-nation,<br
/> Os Hillamn wrote:
I do not know how God is going to use Donald Trump in the
nation. Will He use him like He used Cyrus in the Old Testament?
He was a secular king, but ruled righteously. King Cyrus was an
extremely important person, because God destroyed the Babylonian
empire through him, and brought a close to a 70-year punishment
of the Jews that God imposed on them for their rebellion against
him.
Will God use a secular businessman like Donald Trump to bring
the nation back to some semblance of sanity? Can this be done
without a spiritual awakening in its people? Only God knows the
answer to that. However, one thing is for sure, he is stirring
up the political establishment and may, at a minimum, infuse
some accountability from the political leadership in this
nation.
Os Hillman is president of Marketplace Leaders and author of
Change Agent and TGIF Today God Is First daily devotional.
Huh?
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 19, 2015, 7:06 pm
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Oh the irony!
Did you hear about what Jeb Bush said about single parent
families? It was covered by several news sources. CNN
HTML http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/bush-single-mothers-explanation/,<br
/>for example, had a story. So did MSNBC
HTML http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jeb-bush-says-his-views-havent-changed-all-unwed-births<br
/>and others; but it seems that it was left to the Smoking Gun
HTML http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-p-bush/jeb-bush-offspring-904736<br
/>to reveal all three of his children had run ins with the law.
During a town hall meeting yesterday, Bush declared that
“kids” are “aimlessly wandering around in their lives,” in part
because they “never really had the kind of mentoring and
nurturing that gives them sense that their lives could be
better.” As a result of this untethered existence, “You see what
happens in Baltimore and Ferguson. You see the tragedies play
out,” Bush said in an apparent reference to rioters. “You see
the people that become so despondent they take actions that are
horrific.”
A two-parent household--or even just two involved parents--would
help combat “social ills,” Bush wrote in his 1995 book “Profiles
in Character.” These ills presumably include further unwanted
pregnancies, drug and alcohol abuse, and criminal activity.
Bush’s thoughts on rectitude, aimless youth, and parental
responsibility, however, might ring hollow considering that his
own three children--who grew up with two parents in the
house/Governor’s mansion--have all had run-ins with law
enforcement.
According to police and court records, Bush’s daughter and two
sons have been arrested or investigated for crimes like public
intoxication, drug possession, resisting arrest, burglary,
criminal mischief, and fraudulently obtaining a controlled
substance. Cops even caught Bush’s son Jebby--who was 16 at the
time--having sex in a Jeep Cherokee at 10 PM on a school night
(the car was in a Tallahassee mall parking lot).
But these entanglements have never been the subject of speeches
or public ruminations by the former Florida governor, who
considers familial rap sheets a personal matter. Instead, Jeb!
would rather talk about your aimless kids.
Bush’s three children are pictured above. George P. Bush (who
once stalked a college girlfriend) is sandwiched by mug shots of
John Ellis "Jebby" Bush, Jr. and Noelle Bush.
Yes, indeed, Jeb Bush might very well prefer to talk about other
people's children and not his own. He once said as much to a
Miami Herald reporter. From the Daily Mail
HTML http://:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush once tangled with a Miami Herald
reporter over media coverage of his daughter Noelle's
drug-related legal troubles, complaining in an email that 'I
wish the media would leave my daughter alone.'
Noelle was arrested in 2002 at age 25 for prescription drug
fraud, stealing pills at a rehab clinic, and possession of crack
cocaine.
A feeding frenzy of Florida journalists scrambled to report on
every angle of the story, including links between a judge
overseeing her rehab progress and a charity that received state
government money.
The implication was that Noelle, who spent less than two weeks
in jail overall, received special treatment because her judge
appreciated the grants – $900,000 in all – made to the charity
on whose board he had sat.
Bush wrote directly to the reporter in January 2003, and his
email was part of a massive data dump he released to the public
on Friday, redefining political transparency in the run-up to
the 2016 election.
Thanks for the lecture, Governor Bush.
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 21, 2015, 1:59 pm
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Donald Trump said he wants to scare Pope Francis. Oh really
now, Donald. If the Pope isn't afraid to tell the Mafia what
they need to do, I wouldn't count on scaring him. From the
Washington Post
HTML http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/08/20/donald-trump-i-would-tell-pope-francis-isis-wants-to-get-you/:
It’s common for some to criticize Pope Francis’s wariness about
capitalism, but Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump
just took that to a new level, saying he’d try to “scare” the
pope by telling him: “ISIS wants to get you.”
The comment came when CNN’s Chris Cuomo presented Trump with a
hypothetical situation during an interview Wednesday. What if,
Cuomo said, Trump met the pope, and — through a translator — the
pope expressed a belief that capitalism can be “a real avenue to
greed, it can be really toxic and corrupt.” How would Trump
respond, Cuomo asked.
“I’d say ISIS wants to get you,” Trump said. “You know that ISIS
wants to go in and take over the Vatican? You have heard that.
You know, that’s a dream of theirs, to go into Italy.”
“He talks to you about capitalism, you scare the pope?” Cuomo
asked.
“I’m gonna have to scare the Pope because it’s the only thing,”
Trump said. “The Pope, I hope, can only be scared by God. But
the truth is — you know, if you look at what’s going on — they
better hope that capitalism works, because it’s the only thing
we have right now. And it’s a great thing when it works
properly.”
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 21, 2015, 2:12 pm
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How's your memory, folks? It seems to me that all the
Republicans except Mormon Romney said God wanted them to be
President; and then Romney got further than any of them. I
haven't heard anyone say that yet this time; but Governor Walker
came the closest, toning it down though -- not saying God wanted
him to be President but God wanted him to run! Seriously.
From thenewcivilrightsmovement.com
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After officially announcing his candidacy for the Republican
nomination for president this morning, Scott Walker dashed off
an email to supporters professing his White House run is "God's
calling," and "God's plan."
That plan, as the email unfolds, includes working to ban
abortions and same-sex marriage.
The Wisconsin governor, who survived both a recall and a
re-election and now brags that he's been elected "three times in
four years," described himself to followers as "the son of a
Baptist preacher," whose "faith comes first."
"My relationship with God drives every major decision in my
life. Each day I pray and then take time to read from the Bible
and from a devotional named Jesus Calling," Walker's email
reads.
"As you can imagine, the months leading up to my announcement
that I would run for President of the United States were filled
with a lot of prayer and soul searching," he adds, perhaps
explaining why he is the 15th Republican this year to declare
their candidacy for the White House.
"Here’s why: I needed to be certain that running was God’s
calling -- not just man’s calling. I am certain: This is God’s
plan for me and I am humbled to be a candidate for President of
the United States."
I have my doubts about God revealing that, and I have my doubts
about Walker's sincerity. After all, he claims to be such a
fiscal conservative -- knows how to handle money and all that --
and is in serious debt himself, obviously living beyond his
means by spending more than he earns. What hypocrisy. From
CNN
HTML http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/politics/scott-walker-credit-card-financial-disclosure/:
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is holding onto a high-interest
credit card from Barclays and paying an interest rate of 27.24%,
according to his personal financial disclosure form.
The Walker campaign did not immediately return requests for
comment.
According to the Walker form, the card was issued last year and
Walker owed between $10,000 and $15,000 on it at its highest
point. (Reporting requirements mandate candidates report the
largest amount of debt carried on an individual card, or loan,
but give them a range to report.)
The interest rate is high by most standards, although Walker
does have another card from Bank of America with a similar
credit limit but only 11.99 percent interest, according to the
form.
The latest Walker disclosure also shows him carrying at least
$100,000 in student debt for his two sons, who are attending
college.
Among the field of Republican contenders, Walker has one of the
most modest personal financial standings. He earned $222,899 as
governor -- a little more than $145,000 a year -- but only holds
between $36,000 and $190,000 in investments, according to the
report. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is a multimillionaire and
frontrunner Donald Trump has famously claimed to be worth $10
billion.
The financial disclosure forms don't reveal the exact amount he
owes; but it's up there according to the nydailynews.com
HTML http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gov-scott-walker-tens-thousands-dollars-cc-debt-article-1.2203617:
The Wisconsin conservative Republican governor owes between
$10,000 and $100,000 to credit card companies,
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Helen Date: August 21, 2015, 2:15 pm
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I know little or nothing about your politics ...but to me Trump
is very entertaining and putting heart and soul into it. I like
much of what he says. He is almost as entertaining as our Pierre
Trudeau. I hated his politics he was destructive..but he had a
golden tongue. "Canada is a country whose main exports are
hockey players and cold fronts. Our main imports are baseball
players and acid rain." and such like..
I think if by a miracle Trump get in, he will be shot or
poisoned within the year. Whatever happens around him will be
colourful for sure.
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 21, 2015, 2:57 pm
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^ He is colorful, that's for sure. Would you ever guess I went
to the same university he did? But he went to the Wharton
School of Business while I was in the regular college. I did
work in that building for a bit though one year when my job was
distributing computer printouts to people. I hated that
building. It was dark and gloomy inside and bare. But maybe
I should have gone to Wharton. Anyone even with bad grades can
get very good jobs when they get out. No, I didn't meet him.
He was 6 years ahead of me; and even if we had been there at
the same time, odds are we wouldn't have met -- unless it was me
handing him a computer printout.
Other alumni from Wharton? Bernie Madoff, Norman Hsu, Raj
Rajaratnam, and my favorite Michael Milken the "junk bond king".
Trump has done some dubious things himself. I wouldn't trust
him with my money, that's for sure. I remember when one of his
companies went bankrupt, a judge told him he'd have to start
spending less. I think it was $10,000 a month. He couldn't
expect the bondholders to get shafted while Trump kept living
it up.
Have the time to waste reading about his various companies that
went bankrupt?
HTML http://dividendreference.com/articles/2015/1000637/donald-trump-bankruptcies/
There's another case on there that happened before Trump Casino.
He borrowed tons of money for a project in New York City, ran
out of money and told the bank they'd have to choose between
giving him more money or letting the project go bankrupt and
losing all the money they already gave him. The bank gave him
more money.
Entertaining, yes. Someone qualified to be President? I
don't think so. He polls really bad against all the Democrats.
Yes, he has Republicans wound up now liking him; but if he
gets the nomination, there is no way he could win that I can
see.
I laugh at a lot of things he says. "Our politicians are
stupid" cracks me up. I also loved what he said about
Governor Rick Perry -- it's what I had thought myself. Perry
really isn't that bright. He's also right about Lindsey Graham
-- he started that round of insults. Ha, ha, Perry wears
glasses thinking maybe they'll make him look smart.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIZjxSZ6Jzc
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Re: Religion of Candidates Running for President
By: Kerry Date: August 23, 2015, 12:01 am
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Now it seems Ben Carson did research that involved fetal
tissues. How can he say Planned Parenthood is wrong about what
they're doing with fetal tissues if he was involved with it too?
I don't get it. From CNN
HTML http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/ben-carson-aborted-fetuses-research/:
On the campaign trail in Manchester, New Hampshire, Carson told
CNN his research simply used the tissue from aborted fetuses
that was made available to him.
"We have banked material in the pathology lab from people from
every age -- from day 1 of concept to 120 years told. Those
specimens are available for people who want to do comparisons,"
Carson said. "To not use the tissue that is in a tissue bank,
regardless of where it comes from, would be foolish. Why would
anybody not do that?"
Carson also issued a statement, saying, "There is absolutely no
contradiction between the research I worked on in 1992 and my
pro-life views. The issue of fetal tissue has everything to do
with how the tissue is acquired. My primary responsibility in
that research was operating on people to obtain diseased tissue
for comparison to banked tissue samples. Killing babies and
harvesting tissue for sale is very different than taking a dead
specimen and keeping a record of it, which is exactly the source
of the tissue used in our research."
And later Thursday, Carson went on Facebook to further defend
his work.
"I, nor any of the doctors involved with this study, had
anything to do with abortion or what Planned Parenthood has been
doing," he said in a post. "Research hospitals across the
country have microscope slides of all kinds of tissue to compare
and contrast. The fetal tissue that was viewed in this study by
others was not collected for this study."
Sure you had something to do with it. That's like saying
someone who does drugs has nothing to do with people who smuggle
drugs. There would not be any drug smugglers if there weren't
any drug users; and Planned Parenthood wouldn't be doing what
they're doing unless there were doctors who wanted baby parts to
experiment with.
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