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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Kerry Date: July 17, 2015, 12:30 pm
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What a pleasant surprise to see you, Catholic Crusader. :)
I found a story about St. Hilda of Whitby at New Advent
HTML http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07350a.htm
about how a monastery
bell was heard of thirteen miles away.
Seven years before her death the saint was stricken down with a
grievous fever which never left her till she breathed her last,
but, in spite of this, she neglected none of her duties to God
or to her subjects. She passed away most peacefully after
receiving the Holy Viaticum, and the tolling of the monastery
bell was heard miraculously at Hackness thirteen miles away,
where also a devout nun named Begu saw the soul of St. Hilda
borne to heaven by angels.
I also learned
HTML http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02418b.htm:
In Rome, the "De Profundis" is rung every evening by the parish
churches one hour after the Ave Maria. Clement XII in 1736
granted an indulgence for this practice and endeavoured to
extend it. This custom is observed in many other places,
particularly in North America.
The Curfew (ignitegium), a warning to extinguish fires and
lights, after which all respectable characters went home to bed,
was possibly of ecclesiastical origin but seems to have been
rung as a rule by the town bell (compana communiae, bancloche).
Still in many cases one of the church bells was used for this
and similar purposes. In England this was particularly frequent,
and in many small towns and parishes the curfew is rung to this
day at hours varying from 8 p.m. to 10.
The Angelus or Ave Maria may or may not have developed out of
the curfew. There seems good reason to believe that a special
bell, often called the Gabriel bell, was devoted to this
purpose. In the Middle Ages the Angelus seems commonly to have
been rung with three equal peals and this arrangement still
obtains in many places. In Rome, where the Ave Maria is sung
half an hour after sunset this method obtains: three strokes and
a pause, four strokes and a pause, five strokes and a pause, a
final stroke.
#Post#: 2560--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Poppy Date: July 17, 2015, 1:33 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=297.msg2554#msg2554
date=1437146057]
[font=trebuchet ms]I can't say 'peal,' which would mean 'loud'.
It clearly sounded like bells, but as heard from a distance, a
more gentle sound, not the pealing of bells.[/font]
[/quote]
By peal I meant something happy like church bells being rung by
bellringers but not necessarily loud unless you were near the
belfry. We hear them where we are from time to time as the
bells are rung for weddings in the Parish church. I love
hearing the peal of bells. So joyous.
When I was the verger at a CoE church I used to ring the single
church bell; quite fast on Sundays as a call to worship and I
would toll it slowly for funerals.
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: CatholicCrusader Date: July 18, 2015, 4:13 am
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=297.msg2555#msg2555
date=1437147860]
[font=trebuchet ms]Hey, CC. First, welcome.
Thanks for clarifying... . . . [/font]
[/quote]
You're welcome. And it is also a blessing for you to be at
Mass.
It seems that there is a misunderstanding here about the bells
you speak of. You said:
"I was impressed by the ringing of the bells at Mass, three
times, I believe, including just prior to the consecration, and
as the priest elevates the host (body of Christ) and also the
chalice (the blood of Christ). I have since read the bells are
to create "a joyful noise" and also to signify the presence of
our Lord"
Correct.
Once again, the bells indicate the moment of the action of the
Holy Spirit and the Transubstantiation of the bread and wine
into the real body and real blood of Christ. They ring right as
Jesus Words are spoken by the priest who acts In Persona
Christi.
1) Take this, all of you, and eat it: this is my body which will
be given up for you. (Bell rings)
2) Take this all of you, and drink from it: this is the cup of
my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will
be shed for you and for all men so that sins may be forgiven. Do
this in memory of me. (Bell rings)
Here is the video again:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFd-iU2JgOA
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Piper Date: July 18, 2015, 6:38 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]Kerry,
Interesting post. Thank you.
I wonder if, when she saw the soul of St. Hilda borne to heaven
by angels, the nun named Begu was awake or asleep.
I also wonder what might have caused St. Hilda's fever--seven
years long!
And what is Holy Viaticum?[/font]
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Piper Date: July 18, 2015, 6:55 am
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[quote author=Poppy link=topic=297.msg2560#msg2560
date=1437158023]
By peal I meant something happy like church bells being rung by
bellringers but not necessarily loud unless you were near the
belfry. We hear them where we are from time to time as the
bells are rung for weddings in the Parish church. I love
hearing the peal of bells. So joyous.
When I was the verger at a CoE church I used to ring the single
church bell; quite fast on Sundays as a call to worship and I
would toll it slowly for funerals.
[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]Yes, the bells I heard as the storm
approached seemed a happy sound, strange with the backdrop of
the darkening sky. The sound was continuous for maybe 30
seconds, and then faded away. As soon as that sound ended, the
rushing sound started as the storm made its way north to our
farm.
I've seldom heard church bells anywhere I've lived, so when the
call to Mass sounded, it surprised me as I sat quietly waiting.
How neat, that you got to ring the be church bell. :)[/font]
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Piper Date: July 18, 2015, 7:06 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]Thanks, CC.
I've been reading as much as possible so I will understand
better what is the order of Mass, and what everything means.
I found this concise explanation quite helpful:
HTML http://www.frtommylane.com/homilies/other_homilies/mass_explanation.htm
HTML http://www.frtommylane.com/homilies/other_homilies/mass_explanation.htm
(Scroll down past the calendars for Simple Explanation of the
Mass)[/font]
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: CatholicCrusader Date: July 18, 2015, 7:22 am
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=297.msg2566#msg2566
date=1437220524]
[font=trebuchet ms]Yes, the bells I heard as the storm
approached seemed a happy sound, strange with the backdrop of
the darkening sky. The sound was continuous for maybe 30
seconds, and then faded away. As soon as that sound ended, the
rushing sound started as the storm made its way north to our
farm.
I've seldom heard church bells anywhere I've lived, so when the
call to Mass sounded, it surprised me as I sat quietly waiting.
How neat, that you got to ring the be church bell. :)[/font]
[/quote]
I think most churches still ring the steeple bells for Mass.
Mine does. I know if I walk up at about one minute 'till, the
bells are ringing to call people to Mass. (Although at my church
its an electronic bell, but still, it can be heard blocks away.)
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Piper Date: July 18, 2015, 8:00 am
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[quote author=CatholicCrusader link=topic=297.msg2569#msg2569
date=1437222176]
I think most churches still ring the steeple bells for Mass.
Mine does. I know if I walk up at about one minute 'till, the
bells are ringing to call people to Mass. (Although at my church
its an electronic bell, but still, it can be heard blocks away.)
[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]Haha, I got there a half hour early. The
parking lot was empty. I was kinda hoping to blend in with the
crowd, but there was no crowd-- only about 25 people trickled
in. I think I'll go early tonight, too; it helps me to settle
down and get in the right frame of mind. Was very quiet and
peaceful.
I noticed they did Sunday Mass Sat. night when I was there. Is
it acceptable to go only on Saturday night? Mornings are
difficult.[/font]
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: CatholicCrusader Date: July 18, 2015, 11:22 am
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=297.msg2571#msg2571
date=1437224404]
[font=trebuchet ms]Haha, I got there a half hour early. The
parking lot was empty. I was kinda hoping to blend in with the
crowd, but there was no crowd-- only about 25 people trickled
in. I think I'll go early tonight, too; it helps me to settle
down and get in the right frame of mind. Was very quiet and
peaceful.
I noticed they did Sunday Mass Sat. night when I was there. Is
it acceptable to go only on Saturday night? Mornings are
difficult.[/font][/quote]
Technically, Saturday Mass is not a substitute for the Sunday
obligation, unless there is good reason, like a doctor who has
to work in the emergency room on Sundays for example. The Sunday
obligation can be dispensed for just cause, which may include
physical illness or an inability to go to Mass.
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Re: The Ringing of the Bells
By: Kerry Date: July 18, 2015, 7:57 pm
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[quote author=CatholicCrusader link=topic=297.msg2574#msg2574
date=1437236548]
Technically, Saturday Mass is not a substitute for the Sunday
obligation, unless there is good reason, like a doctor who has
to work in the emergency room on Sundays for example. The Sunday
obligation can be dispensed for just cause, which may include
physical illness or an inability to go to Mass.
[/quote]A shortage of priests may make it impossible too for
every church to have Masses on Sundays as they might want.
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