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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Heartsong
Date: June 4, 2015, 4:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Kerry link ---
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> At Scientology, they have a routine that teaches people how to
project ideas into other people's minds. Now I didn't know
that when I went down to talk to someone; but I could tell the
idea "I want to take this Scientology class" was in my mind but
I also knew I hadn't created that thought. I could tell he
was. That had never happened to me before; and I hadn't even
heard of it before; but I went home and told my friend I wasn't
going to take the class because I felt as if the guy had put the
thought into my mind and I didn't like it since it didn't seem
honest. My friend admitted they knew how to do it and the guy
shouldn't have done it. (That guy later got into trouble, by
the way. I think perhaps my friend reported him.) Then I
went to another location.
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I saw a documentary on Scientology recently and what you said
reminded me of it.
This is the trailer.
HBO Trailer -- Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief
- March 29, 2015 Release
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2deSYf8Pas
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Piper
Date: June 4, 2015, 4:39 pm
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Okay. Scientology has exercises where you are told to yell at
and command ash trays. Strange, indeed.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Kerry
Date: June 4, 2015, 5:34 pm
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> Okay. Scientology has exercises where you are told to yell at
and command ash trays. Strange, indeed.
>
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So you think it's strange. That's your reaction. But have
you tried it? I assure some of their ideas would strike you as
even more strange. But does that make something true or false?
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> I don't have an ash tray.
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Any object will do.
What would think if I told you I was riding with two clears one
day and the one who had just gone clear was driving; and the
stop light turned orange and then green. He said, "Did you see
that?" The other clear said, "Yes, I saw it; and next time wait
your turn." The first guy said, "What?" And the other said,
"Remember how you got into things before." The first guy
said, "Oh yeah." I understood that conversation.
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> And how would I "put a thought" in it? And why?
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To practice putting ideas into space.
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> Who's waffling?
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I didn't say anyone in particular was waffling. I was agreeing
with James about people being double-minded. Waffling is just
another word for that.
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> (This seems a strange conversation.)
>
> My cats are projecting images of empty food bowls.
>
> Thunder, rain, and more thunder and rain. Perfect. Sets the
mood.
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Let's get even stranger. Do you think God had a "picture" in
His mind before He said, "Let there be. . . . "
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Kerry
Date: June 4, 2015, 5:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Heartsong link ---
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> I saw a documentary on Scientology recently and what you said
reminded me of it.
> This is the trailer.
> HBO Trailer -- Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of
Belief - March 29, 2015 Release
>
>
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I heard about him but didn't pay much attention to it since my
mind is already pretty made up about the current way the Church
of Scientology operates. I wish I had kept a copy of a long
letter I wrote to the head of the church. It didn't change a
thing. Things have only gotten worse. It's quite sad since
Hubbard had a lot of good ideas -- but things went downhill
drastically. The guy in charge now is a really evil guy if you
ask me.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Piper
Date: June 4, 2015, 5:51 pm
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Still thundering. Never heard so much thunder. Need to cancel
today. I guess I'm going to have to get wet. ::)
An example of "contradictory views", please? Not sure I
understand 'double-minded.'
If I put a thought into a glass jar, what's supposed to happen?
Is this related to the burning out light bulbs when I get upset
thing? Transposing energy, sort of? What kind of thought am I
putting in my jar?
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> Let's get even stranger. Do you think God had a "picture" in
His mind before He said, "Let there be. . . . "
>
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Definitely.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Piper
Date: June 4, 2015, 6:16 pm
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What is a "clear"?
So, the one caused the light to do what he wanted? Green,
instead of red? That would be using "power" for your own
benefit, cheating others. Yes, we should wait our turn.
The guy had "just gone" clear?
I think Dean Koontz talked about "clears" in one of his stories.
Yes, there were "clears" and "fogs". Maybe not what you refer
to, though, since your clears appear to be people with certain
abilities. His were spiritual entities.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Kerry
Date: June 4, 2015, 6:20 pm
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Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in
the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his
heart was only evil continually.
I assure everyone that there was more to this than imagination;
but the imagination comes first. Then evil takes form.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Kerry
Date: June 4, 2015, 6:46 pm
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> What is a "clear"?
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Their definition
HTML http://www.scientology.org/faq/clear/what-is-the-state-of-clear.html:
Clear is the name of a state achieved through auditing and
describes a being who no longer has his own reactive mind, the
hidden source of irrational behavior, unreasonable fears, upsets
and insecurities. Without a reactive mind, individuals regain
their basic personality, self-determinism and, in essence,
become much, much more themselves.
Auditing is the process they go through; and the reactive mind
contains the subconscious things that can emerge and alter the
personality.
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> So, the one caused the light to do what he wanted? Green,
instead of red? That would be using "power" for your own
benefit, cheating others. Yes, we should wait our turn.
>
> The guy had "just gone" clear?
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Yes, and if he continued such unethical behavior, he'd lose
his "clear" state. Being unethical is how we got into the mess
we're in.
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> An example of "contradictory views", please? Not sure I
understand 'double-minded.'
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Oh, how about someone who wants to be happily married but also
wants to commit adultery? Or someone who wants other to trust
him while he lies and cheats? Someone who doesn't want to get
pregnant but has unprotected sex?
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> If I put a thought into a glass jar, what's supposed to
happen?
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Nothing.
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> Is this related to the burning out light bulbs when I get
upset thing? Transposing energy, sort of?
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Burning out lightbulbs when angry is related but there a strong
angry flow of emotionally charged energy is involved.
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> What kind of thought am I putting in my jar?
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Doesn't matter.
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> Definitely.
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Yes, most definitely. We humans visualize things before doing
them. If the door bell rings, you have a picture in your mind
of walking to it and opening it. Then you do it. You're using
your physical body to do it. This is so automatic, most people
are not consciously aware of it. If you fall asleep in a
strange place with the lights out however and wake to hearing a
knock at the door, then you may have to think about things
consciously.
People often drive their cars on "automatic pilot." They know
where they're going and don't think that much; but if they run
into a street that is blocked off, then they'll have to think
consciously about what route to take -- and that involves
pictures in their minds. Then off they go to make what was
true in their minds first true also in the physical world.
Then too you have humans who believe they should be able to make
every thought in their minds true in the physical world -- no
matter what other people want. That doesn't work too well.
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> I think Dean Koontz talked about "clears" in one of his
stories. Yes, there were "clears" and "fogs". Maybe not what
you refer to, though, since your clears appear to be people with
certain abilities. His were spititual entities.
>
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I doubt they're the same thing, but I don't know.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: Kerry
Date: June 4, 2015, 7:00 pm
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The reverse is possible too -- psychometry. Some people can
pick up an object and tell you something about its history. I
never had much success with that myself; but I have run across
objects I didn't want around since I considered them "cursed" or
"full of bad energy." They just made me feel creepy, so I
didn't want them around.
This too may sound odd. If you have something like a picture of
Jesus or Mary in your house, you might want to hide it or turn
it around when certain people visit. If they're non-Christians,
they may hate the picture and put off bad thoughts. If you have
something you treat with reverence, be careful who you let see
or handle it. Some of the rules in the Old Testament make
sense in their own way.
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Re: Ideas
DIR By: bradley
Date: June 4, 2015, 9:08 pm
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> I am not sure it is always permissible to go around casting
out evil spirits. If the people in the house attracted them
there and invited them in, you could be interfering their free
will and interfering with the demons too who are there lawfully
because the humans asked for them. You could become entangled
with those people and get over your head. And since you
opposed their free will, they could interfere with yours.
>
> I think trying to do this could be a way of inviting demonic
attacks. I've known a few people who fell into this pattern of
casting out demons -- perceived or real, I don't know -- perhaps
at first they were real; but later I think they began imagining
things -- perhaps the demons had confused them. I knew a girl
whose mother thought her microwave oven was possessed and she
exorcised it. The woman was losing her mind.
>
> Another danger posed by this is it can lead to pride. Let us
remember that if God wanted rid of all the demons, He could do
it easily enough. They are here to teach us a lesson. It's
up to us to decide if we will worship God or the Dark Side. If
people summon the demonic, let them pay the price for it until
they are weary of it. But you see people going around treating
demons with contempt -- that is pride at work.
>
> Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh,
despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
> 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he
disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a
railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
>
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Pride was one of the reasons it was not wise for me. Never the
less, there is plenty of plain texts of disciples doing this, as
well as Jesus. One time Jesus did it simply because the
girl/demon was annoying him, and probably wouldnt have done it
if it wasnt for that. But I do agree that people should be
given a choice, even a choice to live with a demon if they like
the power it gives them. The time I cast out the spirits, the
people at the house didnt want them there, so at thier behest, I
got rid of them. They were attacking the people there and
without the authority to do so. My point was that even though
casting out demons that troubled people was documented in
scripture by many, not just Jesus, it might not be wise. The
same holds true for what it is you are speaking of I think.
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