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The new Jerusalem
By: Colin Feener Date: June 2, 2015, 7:30 pm
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Here John tells us about the new Jerusalem and how the Angel
carried him into the Spirit and show him the holy City and how
he saw it come down from heaven.I do n't k now how many of you
know the way of the Spirit yet but this is all seen by us too
when we go into the Spirit and up that mountain of God. It means
when you go into the spiritual understanding or up elevated into
the higher understanding of God and his righteousness and threw
the scriptures but experiences for John, but the scriptures for
us, we can go there too. His description is for us too but it is
written in Spiritual tongue and has to be interpreted but we can
do it. He refers to the city or Jerusalem as the woman , her
and makes me think of Jesus when he said before how she was a
harlot, the old Jerusalem. He said that in the gospels. Now she
is the faithful city again and all new. Crystel clear like the
new lake of water but we walk on clear glass. Means we do not
sink into this world's iniquity and we see clear not threw a
glass darkly.Her brilliance was as a costly stone bought and
paid for with a price I expect.Twelve gates and twelve apostle
stones but for one of the first times we see the angels are the
twelve sons of Jacob and the gates are the gates of learning .
The foundation stones are the disciples now spiritual people
too. Good to see hey. I love this book. If any one wants I will
interpret the whole thing for them from he to the end.
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Kerry Date: June 3, 2015, 6:50 am
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^ I believe Abraham and Isaac were both on God's holy mountain
"in the Spirit." Yes, maybe they walked up a physical
mountain too; but I think they were on a spiritual mountain too.
Did Abraham see the Holy City? I don't know how much he saw;
but he was looking for it!
Hebrews 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations,
whose builder and maker is God.
I figure that City wasn't all built yet, but I think Abraham saw
the foundations at least.
Nor do I think the ram they saw a physical sheep, but rather
Lamb of God. The Jews say that that Ram existed from the
beginning of the world -- and that is what I believe too.
I believe as long as our "eyes" are focused on the "worldly
city", we cannot "see" the Holy City which is seen in the
Spirit. If we lose our attachments to false religion which
worships money and power, then we see and feel the Holy City
coming down. Yes, I think it was "coming down" when John wrote
that, and it's "coming down" now too.
The wonderful thing about this for me is that when each saint
breaks his connections to religion that worships money and
power, his prayer "thy kingdom come" is helping make the Holy
City come down a little. Why would we need to pray for the
kingdom to come if God was going to do it all on His own? I
believe it's the prayers of the saints that was bringing it
down, are bringing it down, and eventually will finish bringing
it down.
Speaking of the harlot? Is it not true that in a way, we all
used to be part of the harlot? She used to be the mother of us
all -- but by the Power and Grace of God, we can become part of
the Bride. Just as darkness came first and then the Light.
I love the way the Holy City, the undefiled Bride appears in
chapter 21 after the harlot is done away with in chapter 19.
We can't have both! We can't serve both God and mammon.
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Colin Feener Date: June 3, 2015, 9:07 pm
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Kerry, I am so happy to see your Spiritual side. You shocked
me now twice ans if pride was not a sin I would say I am proud
of you. And the part about the prayer, thy kingdom come. Right
on Kerry. I believe when we say that God know we understand what
his kingdom is about and we see it too. You have gained my trust
and respect now Kerry and thanks for that. Well done my friend
and I learned from you too. Thanks.
And more Kerry. I see now you know Zion and have the
understanding of what it is and how we climb it. seriously Kerry
right on.
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Colin Feener Date: June 4, 2015, 10:09 pm
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There is a lot I never wrote about the new Jerusalem. I
wrote the foundations , well it says they are stones with the
names of the twelve Apostles on them. It means the twelve
foundations or earthly teachings are the Apostles of Jesus,
three at each side and you see again they say clear as glass
crystal and that means no longer as threw a glass darkly, we see
clearly then, well the Lord has taken me pretty far already. And
I love that too , so much. I love Jesus Christ , my Lord more
then anything in this world. Back to Jerusalem. No Temple, The
Lord God and the Lamb are the temple. A temple is more then
stones, it is a place of prayer and the Apostles and its people
are stones that build the temple and Jesus the cap stone.Great
pearls of wisdom at the gates of learning. The temple is all
there and if we look into it enough we can see it.
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Piper Date: June 5, 2015, 12:51 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]I've always pictured the New Jerusalem as a
real city, as well. A beautiful city (not like our cities)
where nature is an intricate part of it, and all people live in
harmony, with no need for locks on doors or fences to keep
people out. Children and animals can wander with no threat to
them, because they are loved by all, known by all, one
collective, extended family. Libraries with all the best books
from our world (we'll read of our long-ago tribulations and be
reminded how blessed we are to be where we have come to be),
cafes with great food, parks, theater, museums and places set up
simply for the pleasure of learning. Perfect lighting as God
provides, no need for sleep, only quiet, contemplative rest. No
traffic, because we think of where we want to be and arrive. Or
we walk the old way, if we wish to experience along the way.
Places for the arts where people paint and dance and create.
A river flows through the city, crystal clear, trees on its
banks with every kind of healing fruit. It's warm and every
rain is gentle and life-giving. Colors we've never seen and
music that speaks to our soul. One soul, for we are all one.
Outside the city is every wonder. Wild places that offer no
threat, where we'll see animals peacefully grazing, side by
side, lions, zebras, horses, bears, deer-- space for all of
God's creatures, great and small, to live in peace. Birds fill
the air, and even the fish rise to greet us. No longer do the
animals run in fear as we approach, but they look up in
recognition, because they know us as we know them. Creeks flow
in melody, and even the rocks sing of the joy of all that is.
The mountains and plains and all vistas in the far distance
offer endless exploration of God's creative good. To see,
touch, smell, hear, and taste everything is a delight, and our
senses are greater, heightened, infinitely kinder.
There are no places of worship, because every breath of all that
lives is in constant praise and wonder of God who has brought us
back to His very heart. And, of course, we see Jesus, face to
face, we visit with His Mother and all the glorious saints of
old. Time never runs out, so there will always be tomorrow. We
can visit all the people we ever loved here on earth, and youth
is an eternal thing; no more sorrow, no more pain. Everyone
casts the light of God's glory, and there are countless new
relationships to be had, yet our most loved from old earth will
always be special to us, because they shared with us and helped
us through what once was, when we were the poor fallen children
of Eve.
The heavens sing and we journey forth, but know we may always
return to the city of our Lord, to the vast and ever-changing
Kingdom of Light, of our God.
Yes, I believe the Kingdom is a place prepared by God for all
who love Him, as well as a people, prepared and made ready.
How we yearn for home.[/font]
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Piper Date: June 5, 2015, 3:06 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]^ Colin, feel free to delete my above post
if you wish. Perhaps it's not what you desire on the thread?
I've saved it elsewhere.[/font]
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Colin Feener Date: June 5, 2015, 5:33 pm
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Its exactly what I hoped from you. Its great. I loved it and
doesn't it sound just perfect Piper. I think like, at some point
the spiritual sight of it has to be transformed into the natural
and physical. Piper, I know scripture love and natural love and
even lustful love. The love of the Lord and the Love for him.
Myself, I have returned to that place where i absolutly love
everything about the Lord and have come back to seeing Jesus as
not just the Lamb if just is any good a word to use, but seeing
our saviour, our lord and now God himself and even if I say
Father, I talk to Jesus as the son but in him is the father too.
I see now how he was born and God was also born in the same way
but as the Spirit from the word at the beginning, I see now that
in the beginning the word was with God and was God and the word
became flesh and how we see it but as it is in the natural but
it isn't the natural as flesh. It is he and he is spirit.
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Piper Date: June 5, 2015, 6:17 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Thanks Colin. I realize what I wrote is a
bit biased by my own hopes and dreams, but perhaps in the end,
our hopes and dreams are what create our reality.
I am happy for your faithfulness.[/font]
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Colin Feener Date: June 5, 2015, 7:00 pm
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You know Piper, That was the first time I tried to explain
John's book Revelation and even if i didn't do a good Job, it is
like the Apocrypha. Sirach. Each time you read it and meditate
on it, the next time you read it has much more understanding to
give you and the word there also explains itself. And I also
noticed that , if you want to understand any part , before you
try first read the few chapters before the part you seek to
understand. And so many times i used to think there were so many
sevens but for the most part they are always the same seven in
different levels of faith. There is a lot of doom for the bad
parts and enemy and it bothers me that so many will choose that
portion but the word seperates all and places them where they
belong by their own judgement at God's doing. Its so so neet
and awesome. Yes, the Lord took me on a journey this time and it
has been a great time too.
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Re: The new Jerusalem
By: Piper Date: June 6, 2015, 4:20 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]It is an awesome book, one many ignore
because of its difficulty. Congrats on wading thru it!
Maybe we could do Sirach, sometime.[/font]
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