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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Poppy Date: May 5, 2015, 11:35 am
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Why is it that all discussions about tongues turn negative with
people giving more credit to Satan for the counterfeit than to
God for the genuine? It happens every time the gifts of the
Spirit are mentioned. Come on folks give some credit to God for
the real gifts and stop knocking them.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: James Date: May 5, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Poppy- Why is it that all discussions about tongues turn
negative with people giving more credit to Satan for the
counterfeit than to God for the genuine?
The answer to that question Poppy is, because it is so much
easier to knock something down than to build up. I will not
mention the ignorance in 90% of those who name themselves as
christian,or the obvious fact that if you have a fake diamond it
is because there are real ones.
There is a real experience!!
Let me describe things this way, someone receives the holy
spirit and speaks in tongues. He tells others of his experience
and says this happened to me and I said "Yaba daba doo", the
only part the hearer can really get a grip on is the "Yaba daba
doo" so before you know it hundreds are saying "Yaba daba doo "
to try to prove they to have access to the inside track. Very
foolish! Is the Lord worried? Not a bit, since from the days of
the Pharisees man has tried to act out a life style to prove
their acceptance by God.
If you have a gift use it and it will grow, if you do not have a
gift don't knock those who do "lest we be found warring against
the Lord".
#Post#: 1743--------------------------------------------------
Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: A nonny mouse Date: May 5, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Poppy, I thought we had fair balance in recognising that there
may just as likely be a genuine Holy Spirit inspired ‘anointing’
as well as a satanic counterfeit (even though no one has so far
alluded to the fact that Glossolalia disappeared after the first
century and only reappeared relatively recently).
For my part I mentioned ‘genuine’ alongside ‘counterfeit, plus
the chap who produced the videos that Cathy posted openly
claimed to be a ‘genuine’ Pentecostal ‘tongues' speaker, and
then Amadeus also spoke up for the ‘genuine’ article.
Much of the ‘opposition’ came as a result of those who made
unscriptural implication that ‘all’ should speak in tongues and,
in your instance, that those who didn’t were ‘missing out’ and
limiting their experience.
[quote author=Poppy link=topic=182.msg1680#msg1680
date=1430557505]
[size=14pt]I've been reading something recently that suggests
that after we are baptised in the Holy Spirit it is praying in
tongues in our personal prayer time that enables us to receive
and put into practice the nine spiritual gifts and discover
which gifting has been given to us and where we 'fit' in the
Body. Also that the amount of time we spend praying in tongues
has a direct bearing to the effectiveness of these gifts and the
way we use them for the building up of the Body of Christ.
[/quote]
The chap who produced Cathy’s videos emphasised the need for
Holiness and sobriety.
And I conclude with a video plea for an ‘anointing’ that surely
has the hallmarks of appropriate sobriety as a contrast the
‘Unholy Spirit’ counterfeit.
I think the discussion has progressed with good balance.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjIQXRxrlbs
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Heartsong Date: May 5, 2015, 12:36 pm
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One thing that saddens me when I look around at the churches is
that there seems to be too much focus on the gifts of the spirit
and not enough on the fruit of the spirit.
Gal. 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness,
self-control: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are
Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another,
envying one another.
1Cor. 13:1 If I shall speak with every human and Angelic
language and have no love in me, I shall be clanging brass or a
noise-making cymbal. 2And if I have prophecy, and I know all
mysteries and all knowledge and if I have all faith so that I
may remove mountains, and I have no love in me, I would be
nothing. 3And if I should feed everything that I have to the
poor, and if I hand over my body to be burned up* and I have no
love in me, I gain nothing. 4Love is patient and sweet; love
does not envy; love is not upset neither puffed up. 5Love does
not commit what is shameful, neither does it seek its own; it is
not provoked, neither does it entertain evil thoughts, 6Rejoices
not in evil, but rejoices in the truth, 7Endures all things,
believes all things, hopes all, bears all.
8Love never fails; for prophecies shall cease, tongues shall be
silenced and knowledge will be nothing;.....13For there are
these three things that endure: Faith, Hope and Love, but the
greatest of these is Love.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Poppy Date: May 5, 2015, 12:59 pm
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This isn't about the various manifestations in large meetings
but of the private prayer life of individual Chistians who have
been baptised in the Holy Spirit. It's completely different.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Heartsong Date: May 5, 2015, 1:21 pm
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John Roberson spoke of these same manifestations. He said he was
knocked over backwards, had the breath knocked out of him, was
drunk in the spirit, laughed hilariously and giggled, couldn't
rise or get up off a cot. Those are some of the same exact
manifestations that take place in large meetings in these
churches, those and more. The first tip off for me was when he
said that this spirit was "quite forceful" and that he felt like
he was fighting against something.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Poppy Date: May 5, 2015, 1:33 pm
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W[quote author=Heartsong link=topic=182.msg1747#msg1747
date=1430850078]
John Roberson spoke of these same manifestations. He said he was
knocked over backwards, had the breath knocked out of him, was
drunk in the spirit, laughed hilariously and giggled, couldn't
rise or get up off a cot. Those are some of the same exact
manifestations that take place in large meetings in these
churches, those and more. The first tip off for me was when he
said that this spirit was "quite forceful" and that he felt like
he was fighting against something.
[/quote]
Who's John Roberson or did you make a mistake? I too have felt
all these things in private worship and do not attribute them to
the devil. If a person is FILLED with the HOLY SPIRIT how can
there be room for the devil to take over. This is all
scaremongering and negativity. No wonder the Church is in such
a mess when most of it disowns the gifting of the Holy Spirit.
I too am uncomfortable with the whole Todd Bentley 'ministry'
But I'm just talking about ordinary normal Christians receiving
and using a God-given gift in their private prayer times for the
benefit of the body.
It really, really upsets me that so-called Christians can be so
negative. Obviously some may not have received the Spirit
baptism and for them there is possible an excuse.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Heartsong Date: May 5, 2015, 1:51 pm
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[quote author=Poppy link=topic=182.msg1748#msg1748
date=1430850789]
W
Who's John Roberson or did you make a mistake? I too have felt
all these things in private worship and do not attribute them to
the devil. If a person is FILLED with the HOLY SPIRIT how can
there be room for the devil to take over. This is all
scaremongering and negativity. No wonder the Church is in such
a mess when most of it disowns the gifting of the Holy Spirit.
I too am uncomfortable with the whole Todd Bentley 'ministry'
But I'm just talking about ordinary normal Christians receiving
and using a God-given gift in their private prayer times for the
benefit of the body.
It really, really upsets me that so-called Christians can be so
negative. Obviously some may not have received the Spirit
baptism and for them there is possible an excuse.
[/quote]
Sorry I meant Dave Roberson. We have to have discernment and
test the spirits. Todd Bentley and many other ministries in
agreement with him are promoting these manifestations and
claiming it to be the holy spirit. That should tell us
something. It should also tell us that they have absolutely no
discernment and are not taking care of the flock or protecting
them from false spirits. They are in fact wolves in sheep's
clothing. And it is also evident in their fruits, by their
fruits you will know them.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: Poppy Date: May 5, 2015, 2:44 pm
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Don't let's keep on talking about Todd Bentley and his cronies
let's talk about how the gift of tongues used in our personal
prayer life edifies us and builds us up. That is what the book
is about, it's not at all about the use of tongues in meetings
but just the fact that using this wonderful gift in our prayer
lives will build us up so that we are more effective in the life
of the Body of Christ. Just that.
I'm sorry I started this now if it's going to degenerate into
talk about counterfeit gifts. It was meant to bless.
But hey, it's okay to get negative cos it's a discussion forum
and anything goes. It seems not many have open minds and had
already decided the Gift of Tongues for personal use is either
unimportant, irrelevant or satanic.
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Re: The importance of praying in other tongues.
By: A nonny mouse Date: May 5, 2015, 3:21 pm
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[quote author=Poppy link=topic=182.msg1751#msg1751
date=1430855063]
It seems not many have open minds and had already decided the
Gift of Tongues for personal use is either unimportant,
irrelevant or satanic.
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It seems to me that neither those who privately pray in tongues
nor those who don't have "open minds".
But then, in respect of personal beliefs, who does who joins a
Christian forum?
Why do you "seem" to expect others to belief and practice the
same as yourself?
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