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Re: In Christ Alone
By: Kerry Date: May 1, 2015, 2:33 pm
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[quote author=James link=topic=177.msg1666#msg1666
date=1430502186]
kerry I am not sure it says the elders will get the sins
forgiven.
It does say that with no condition at all the elders will anoint
the person, pray over the person and if they have committed sin
they shall be forgiven. The last bit I take as Gods forgiveness
not the elders forgiveness.
[/quote]I read both parts the same way. I agree that if the
elders pray and someone is healed, God did the healing at the
intercession of the elders. I read the other part the same way.
If people has a sin and the elders pray for them, then God will
forgive them.
Now that is very strange, isn't it, because James is writing to
Christians and giving them advice. It sounds as if he is
saying Christians can have some sins which need forgiving. And
more, he's saying that God will answer some people's prayers and
not other people's.
Later he mentions sins and prayers again in the same breath, and
again says some people's prayers carry more weight with God:
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for
another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of
a righteous man availeth much.
The Apostles were told they could remit sins.
John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto
them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Yes, I'd say it's still God forgiving the sins; but He's
delegated decisions to certain people about which sins will be
forgiven and which not.
[quote] I do find it interesting that James lists this as a
foregone conclusion of the ability of the church elders, and one
does ask the question if they cant pray over someone and get
them healed should they be elders in the first place since they
don't have the qualifications for the position?
Just my take on the James verses.
[/quote]I'm not sure it's a rule that every church elder praying
over every sick person should be able to get them healed or even
have their sins forgiven; but I tend to agree that someone who
has never prayed for someone and gotten them healed may not be a
good choice for church elder. The choice shouldn't rely
solely on signs and wonders since the Devil can counterfeit
those so people in church positions should meet other
requirements too, like not drinking too much, not being greedy
-- Paul lists them as you know. But an elder should also be
able to show God listens to his prayers more than to the prayers
of the average person in the congregation. If a church doesn't
do this, they risk having church leadership filled with men who
don't drink and don't seem greedy, but aren't really men of God.
They have a form of godliness but lack the Power.
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