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Why are angels called Watchers?
By: bradley Date: April 28, 2015, 5:40 pm
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This is speculative, and I leave it to you all and your
theories. I will tell you mine below.
God created angels long before man. They had the firstfruits
of God's abundance of gifts, great strength, great power, great
intellect, great wisdom, the list is probably endless in matters
we have so little knowledge of. Never the less, I believe God
gave them choice the same as us, and that the original satan,
was an angel with great power, greater than most of his
brethern, who through pride, thought himself as powerful as God.
Pride started growing in the angels, and becoming more of a
problem. So.... God began a special project, to help the
angels to realize that their powers were not as powerful as they
thought, and God called this project Eden. He created man, and
called the angels, and ensured those with more pride attended,
and told these angels, all whom were curious, and those jealous
of any new power so that they could learn it and wield it... to
watch us.... yes, angels watching over us, to learn about this
new special project. The purpose of man was twofold, first of
all, to create more, to be a part of His glorious creation, and
from some of them increase the goodness of the universe, and the
second, to impart the lesson that power and pride that goes with
it can hinder us more than help us. God made us lower than the
angels in nearly everthing but one, the power of meekness, and
humbleness. Those same things that our Jesus exemplified in
His time on this earth. Scripture says that it is in weakness
that we become strong, through Him. That is something the
powerful angels needed to learn. Some never did, I believe
that two thirds of them did though. The war in heaven was not
a one time incident, not a battle, but a war fought over time
with the end result being one third being of the fallen...
falling to earth... and perhaps other planets, other earths,
other sentient life. Those who just watched without
intervening grew wiser and more humble, those who didnt, fell
prey to the trap of pride and self glory.
That is my feeling on the matter, if you have any theories, I
would enjoy hearing them.
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Re: Why are angels called Watchers?
By: Kerry Date: April 28, 2015, 6:04 pm
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It's not that clear to me either. The term appears only three
times in the Bible, and that's in Daniel which is in Aramaic.
All three times the term "holy one" is also used. It's not
clear to me that "a watcher and an holy one" is the right
translation. It could read, "a wakeful holy one". But verse
14 seems to have two types of being -- but that could poetic.
Dan 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and,
behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the
demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the
living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the
basest of men.
Dan 4:23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one
coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and
destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the
earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass
of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let
his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times
pass over him;
It may be possible that their role is to observe, draw
conclusions and make recommendations but not to act on their
own.
Their role may be similar to the Levites who kept watch in the
Temple.
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Re: Why are angels called Watchers?
By: bradley Date: April 28, 2015, 6:41 pm
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I went ahead and posted the portion you speak of, for those
interested in the context.
I agree with your statement,
"It may be possible that their role is to observe, draw
conclusions and make recommendations but not to act on their
own."
Dan 4:13-23 American standard version
13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a
watcher and a holy one came down from heaven.
14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off
its branches, shake off its leaves, and scatter its fruit: let
the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from its
branches.
15 Nevertheless leave the stump of its roots in the earth, even
with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field;
and let it be wet with the dew of heaven: and let his portion be
with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
16 let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart
be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand
by the word of the holy ones; to the intent that the living may
know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth
it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the lowest of
men.
18 This dream I, king Nebuchadnezzar, have seen; and thou, O
Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation, forasmuch as all the
wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the
interpretation; but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy
gods is in thee.
19 Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was stricken dumb
for a while, and his thoughts troubled him. The king answered
and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the
interpretation, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My
lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the
interpretation thereof to thine adversaries.
20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose
height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the
earth;
21 whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it
was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and
upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their
habitation:
22 it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy
greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion
to the end of the earth.
23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and a holy one coming down
from heaven, and saying, Hew down the tree, and destroy it;
nevertheless leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth,
even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the
field, and let it be wet with the dew of heaven: and let his
portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass
over him;
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