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God's goodness ...
By: HappyHeretic Date: April 24, 2015, 4:47 am
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A good indicator that a person isn’t totally
convinced that God is good is revealed when they second
guess if it is God’s will to heal, to save, to give mercy, to
bless, to protect, and to raise the dead. Faith is impossible
unless the will of God is known, and the knowledge of the
will of God comes from a revelation of His complete and
total goodness. If you question that it is God’s will to
always do the things mentioned a few sentences above,
your deficiently is simple; You do not yet understand His
goodness.
-- Tyler Johnson
Mike HM
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Kerry Date: April 24, 2015, 6:18 am
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Is he saying it is always God's Will to heal everyone, to raise
everyone from the dead and so on? Why does he say these things
don't happen then?
I wouldn't presume to think I knew so much about good and evil
that I could say this or that was always good. I think
sometimes what looks evil to me might actually be good in the
eyes of God. One of man's problem is confusing good and evil,
isn't it? We think something is good for us when it's more bad
than good. We can also think something is bad when really it's
more good than bad.
I am convinced that God is all good; but I am not convinced that
I know enough about good and evil that I can say something is
always good and God's Will while something else is always evil
and not His Will. What I can say is from what I do understand
about good and evil, I am convinced that God is all good. If
something seems to make God look less than all-good, I suspect
my understanding is deficient -- and I say I don't know.
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Piper Date: April 24, 2015, 7:11 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]A good display of faith is when the robin
sings in the darkness, before the first glimmer of light. What
man can understand the will of God and how He brings the fruit
of His goodness to completion? Thus, we must learn to praise
Him in the midst of the storm, believing He is good, even when
circumstance insists He is not. Our faith is tested.
There are times when healing comes through tears. There are
times when what needs saving is not our life. There are times
when the trials of this life are God's mercy. Blessings
sometimes come with dark clouds and fierce winds of change. We
need to ponder what God wants most to protect, and how the world
will see that He is strong when we are weak.
The will of God is a strange thing, and faith is not dependent
on understanding. If you question God's goodness when sorrow
brings you to your knees, remember it is yet well with your
soul. Sometimes the words, "I am with you," are only a distant
whisper. God gives, God takes away, our hearts are torn, our
tears counted. He brings us low; He lifts us up.
Who dares proclaim to understand the will of God?[/font]
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Kerry Date: April 24, 2015, 7:26 am
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Tyler Johnson says he understands it. I haven't seen the film
myself; but the BBC says he made a film about his efforts to
raise the dead.
HTML http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26483156
Tyler Johnson runs a ministry called the Dead Raising Team in
the US. He claims to have brought several people back to life.
He says he even persuaded the authorities in his state to issue
him with an official photocard which lets him through police
lines at car accident sites.
Johnson appears in a new documentary film called Deadraisers,
which follows enthusiasts as they trail round hospitals and
mortuaries trying to bring people back to life. Sadly, those
they pray for in the film remain resolutely dead.
Johnson is unwilling to provide successful case studies. And in
general, the proof that believers cite is a bit unconvincing -
for example, there is an American heart surgeon who allegedly
brought a heart attack patient back from the dead with prayer.
But he was also using a defibrillator, and other doctors find
the story entirely unremarkable.
I guess, according to his own words, he didn't have enough
faith. It really amazes me how some faith healers come to a
bad end themselves or they have close family members get sick --
and then some of them rush off to the hospital and some still
die.
I think it's easy to have faith if we get what we want from God.
The real test may be when we want something and don't get it.
Does our faith falter then? Or can we say with Job, "Though he
slay me, yet will I trust in him. . . ."
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: HappyHeretic Date: April 24, 2015, 8:27 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=160.msg1409#msg1409
date=1429874317]
Is he saying it is always God's Will to heal everyone, to raise
everyone from the dead and so on? Why does he say these things
don't happen then?
[/quote]
It is my belief that God always wants to heal the sick - because
He is good. Tyler also believes this.
My belief comes from looking to Jesus and what He did. Hebrews
1 tells us that Jesus is the "exact representation of His
being". If you want to know what God is like, look to Jesus.
Bill Johnson, no relation to Tyler, says that Jesus is perfect
theology. We are also told that Jesus healed everyone who came
to Him. That reveals something of the Father's desire to heal
everyone.
Also, Jesus never refused to heal anyone. He never said to them
something like "I'm not going to heal you because I want to make
you stronger through suffering". Not ever.
And this healing alll who came is not limited to Jesus - it is
said of the apostles in Acts 5 and of Paul when he was in Malta.
I think it is easy to base our theology on what we experience,
rather than what the book says and the nature and character of
God.
You will notice that Tyler doesn't say he has a perfect
understanding of God's goodness, nor that he sees 100% of people
healed. That does not mean his theology is not right - just
that it is not worked out in him fully.
But it is interesting that un-belief is showing already in this
thread :D
Mike HM
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Piper Date: April 24, 2015, 12:50 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]I don't think my post expresses un-belief at
all. It encourages faith despite circumstance.
Some of us are caught up very deeply in circumstances where God
has not stepped in like the good fairy to grant OUR wishes, OUR
will be done. YEARS of degeneration and suffering. Obviously,
His will is not always to grant what we think is best. Physical
healing does not always come. How have you missed this? This
is why we have wheelchairs.
There is a world of suffering out there, people sick and dying
and NOT BEING HEALED AS YOU UNDERSTAND HEALING. Yet, blessed
are those who do not fall away.[/font]
[quote]HereticMouse: It is my belief that God always wants to
heal the sick - because He is good. [/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]Then shall I believe God is not good when we
simply are not physically healed? I would be careful, because
perhaps one day you will be tested likewise. Will you turn
away, or will you try to understand that His ways are higher
than ours?
I have loved and I have prayed til I thought my soul would
burst, yet still healing DOES NOT come, and God takes away.
This is NOT my lack of faith, this is reality.
Shall we go around telling people they are not healed because
they lack faith or are deficient in some spiritual way, or is it
better to ease what suffering we can, and help encourage the one
suffering so faith is not lost?
You speak of Jesus, but have you noticed Jesus suffered
tremendously, and IT WAS THE FATHER'S WILL, though Jesus pleaded
the cup of suffering be removed. Your salvation is born of His
suffering! Sometimes love demands we suffer for the sake of
those we love.
Also note you are not Jesus, that you might perfectly understand
the Father's will, nor are you an apostle of Christ.
I always was very deeply troubled by the suffering in this
world, more suffering than you or I can imagine, yet God sees it
all, allows it. (Try to imagine being omnipresent!) So, what
does God do? He heaps suffering on my plate, puts it before my
eyes and in my experience every single day without relief. He
baptizes me in suffering, perhaps to teach me many things, to
test me, to try me, to bring me to my knees and teach me the
meaning of praying without ceasing. No magic wand in God's
hand. God wields fire. Refines us, holding us in the flames,
never taking His eyes off us, until He can see His own
reflection shining from us.
You will see. We all face our personal Gethsemane, sooner or
later. Remember I told you that.
[/font]
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Helen Date: April 24, 2015, 12:52 pm
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God is always good. He just doesn't always do what we think is
"good."
I think the Church was sold a God with a magic wand. Most of us
bought into it at some measure.
he my daddy, therefore all will work out how I want it...I am a
kings kid. ( even back then I hated the phrase)
Now...many lives a being shipwrecked when people find that all
prayers are actually not being answered. People die still
believing that God heals. I have a long personal list of friends
who " died in faith not having received the promise.." that they
were believing for.
People are now seeing a God with a broken wand, and some are
now heading toward shipwreck. Disappointment, disillusionment
and people even saying- " I have outgrown God, it doesn't really
work."
What they have found is..the God that they were taught about,
that has a magic wand, and everyone is healed, all finances
restored, all lives made better, and everyone happy ( because we
are Kings Kids) Is not the God of the bible!!
God has called us to HAVE FAITH IN HIM....not in things, not
even in His works, we can rejoice yes, but our faith must be
locked well and truly into how He IS, not what He does or does
not 'do'.
It is a good thing to have false idols destroyed. That the true
can be revealed to us.
Before we the Church were fed this magic wand waving God who
answers at out beck and call...we had such as
Horatio Spafford, who wrote:-
When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
It is well, it is well with my soul.
Refrain:
It is well with my soul,
It is well, it is well with my soul.
Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blest assurance control,
That Christ hath regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.
My sin—oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!—
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!
For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
If Jordan above me shall roll,
No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life
Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.
But, Lord, ’tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
Oh, trump of the angel! Oh, voice of the Lord!
Blessed hope, blessed rest of my soul!
And Lord, haste the day when the faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul.
This below, is what I wrote in my own journal back on the 19th
April and April 22nd. When going through my own storm and
checking my heart to see what I really believed.
Quote :-
What God has called me to is “ Rejoice ever more, pray without
ceasing and give thanks in all things..”for THIS is the will of
God in Christ Jesus concerning me.”
Unlike Eve, who shows that God was not enough....we do not
“need” outside of God Himself.
I do not NEED.
He IS, my peace, My God, my joy, my hope, Hiding Place,
victory, health, deliverance ,Friend, Comforter, strength, glory
and the lifter up of my head. GOD is all I need!!! Where did we
buy into the idea that He was here to serve us and carry us to
heaven on beds of ease?
How can we be overcomes if He waves a wand over all our
troubles? He has promised to be with us IN IT!! He says
Numbers 18. “ I am thy portion and thy inheritance.” David said
" He IS the portion of my inheritance and my cup..." HE IS
ENOUGH!!
It has everything to do with the heart. Jesus said man is not
defiled by what comes into, but what comes out of!! So…how do I
“see” from the inside as I look outward? Do I ‘see’ everything
that is ‘wrong’ and crooked by how I feel it ‘should be’.?
"….If thine eye be single thy whole body is full of light, if
the eye be dark.if therefore the light that is in thee be
darkness , how great is that darkness..”
I believe IN GOD!!
I believe His heart.
I believe His integrity, His nature, Himself…
When He said “ Let us go over to the other side” He just omitted
to mention the mighty storm in between!
We think He has failed us when we hit a storm that He didn’t
told us about!! We think it is 'wrong'. But His word was
solid…they DID go over to the other side…they just THOUGHT that
it would be all smooth sailing!!
And , when life doesn’t go how just how I want it to go….I am to
“offer it back up" to God on the altar of worship and
thanksgiving…saying- “ Later Lord…You will reveal all, later,
..until then…I Trust You though the storms, for You are with
me.”
End of quote.
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Piper Date: April 24, 2015, 1:00 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]O Helen . . . Parallels in our posts! Two
minutes apart. More tears to be counted! :-* Keep the faith,
what 'ere befalls us !!! You, dear lady, are an
inspiration![/font]
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: A nonny mouse Date: April 24, 2015, 2:30 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=160.msg1431#msg1431
date=1429897937]
Before we the Church were fed this magic wand waving God who
answers at our beck and call...we had such as
Horatio Spafford, who wrote:-
[i]
When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
It is well, it is well with my soul.
[/quote]
It is not without significance that I found those self same
words to best express (as an avatar) the current 'theological'
resolution that has brought peace to my heart.
May God's peace rest with each of us in whatever 'theology' we
embrace.
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Re: God's goodness ...
By: Piper Date: April 24, 2015, 2:40 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Isn't that the greatest song, and such an
example of the faith that heals us!
Our chains are gone![/font]
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