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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: Kerry Date: April 22, 2015, 5:31 am
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[quote author=Twinc link=topic=146.msg1321#msg1321
date=1429692860]
it is as at Jn.20:31 viz simply simply believe and continue to
do so that Jesus is our Saviour and the son of God and that the
very son of God died for the forgiveness of sins -wincam
[/quote]If what you wrote is the Gospel, how could Jesus have
preached that before the Crucifixion and Resurrection?
My version of John does not read that way exactly. Mine reads:
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might
have life through his name.
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: HappyHeretic Date: April 22, 2015, 6:11 am
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[quote author=HereticMouse link=topic=146.msg1320#msg1320
date=1429692396]
Here's how I think the passage in 1 Peter 2 can be split - and
note, it continues in chapter 3 -
2v11 "Dear friends ..."
2v18 "Slaves ..."
3v1 ""Wives ..."
3v7 "Husbands ..."
3v8 "Finally, all of you ..."
I think the groupings are clear from that. When I read the
section to slaves I don't see healing as the topic at all. The
topic is about slaves receiving an unjust harsh beating and
Peter is encouraging them to think of themselves going through
the same experience that Jesus went through.
I may be wrong, but that is how it reads to me.
I think the verse in Isaiah 53 is talking specifically about
physical healing. I have heard it extended to spiritual healing
before, but usually by people who don't believe either that God
heals physically today, or that healing was included in the
atonement. They have to account for this verse in their
theology and so corrupt its original meaning.
I think there are better verses that you could use to make your
point.
Kind regards,
Mike HM
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: James Date: April 22, 2015, 9:50 am
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I have to be honest and say I have not read every post before
Mikes but a good many I have.
The gospel is the announcement (the word means announcement of
good) of the kingdom of heaven, in my understanding Matt 4:23,
in much the same way that Moses drew a line in the sand and
challenged those who would serve the Lord to join him. The Act
of moving from one location of thought to another I see as an
act of repentance.
I have no doubt that the Jews were sure they were living in the
life of God much in the same way that Daniel lived for God while
being a kings counsellor in Babylon. In this I believe they were
mistaken and Jesus came to say "who wants to join the Kingdom of
Heaven and come under my Fathers rule" Isa 52:7.
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: Piper Date: April 22, 2015, 10:01 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]^^ Hi again, HereticMouse. May I ask why you
quoted your own post twice? Just curious.
No, you're not wrong about the groupings at all. I simply
thought the truth within the verse stood soundly alone as well
as in context. Some do.
I've always believed "healing" could apply to either physical or
spiritual. I assure you I was not attempting to "corrupt"
anything.
I suppose there are better verses I could have used. I don't
know Scripture inside out, still learning, and did the best I
could to convey my train of thought using what I could find that
seemed to represent my understanding. I'm sure the verse you
chose was a better selection, so thank you.
Good to see you here again, btw. The more the merrier.
:)[/font]
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: HappyHeretic Date: April 22, 2015, 11:42 am
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=146.msg1335#msg1335
date=1429714910]
[size=12pt][font=trebuchet ms]^^ Hi again, HereticMouse. May I
ask why you quoted your own post twice? Just curious.
[/quote]
I'm not sure how that happened. Nor do I have any ability to
change it - I'm not offered a modify or a delete button.
If someone has the ability to delete the posts, please do so.
Mike HM
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: HappyHeretic Date: April 23, 2015, 3:40 am
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=146.msg1335#msg1335
date=1429714910]
[size=12pt][font=trebuchet ms]
No, you're not wrong about the groupings at all. I simply
thought the truth within the verse stood soundly alone as well
as in context. Some do. [/quote]
There is a truth in that verse you're right - which is why I
used the word "careful" about it. I think the truth is better
obtained from Is 53, though.
[quote]I've always believed "healing" could apply to either
physical or spiritual. I assure you I was not attempting to
"corrupt" anything. [/quote]
There may well be scope for spiritual healing, but in this
thread I thought the discussion was about salvation - I don't
think that is healing, but more re-creaction, as I said. I do
think the bit in Is was to do with physical healing because it
was related to the punishment of the physical body of Jesus.
[quote]
Good to see you here again, btw. The more the merrier. :)
[/quote]
Thank you.
Bless you,
Mike HM
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: Twinc Date: April 24, 2015, 7:56 am
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[quote author=Gaffer link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272
date=1429558431]
What is the Gospel? The word is used frequently enough in the
New Testament, but what is it? What does the word "Gospel"
mean to you? When we read that the Apostles preached the
Gospel, what were they saying?
[/quote]
the original gospel, which seems to have been forgotten or lost,
may be found again at JN.20:31 as simply simply believe - twinc
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: Piper Date: April 24, 2015, 7:06 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]After reviewing the thread, I think these
quotes from Kerry are worth repeating:[/font]
[quote]I see talking too much about what Jesus did or didn't do
as a potential problem if we fail to see our half of it. As
you know, we cannot claim to be part of the Bride of Christ and
continue to behave like pr0stitutes and then believe Jesus is
going to fix everything. A covenant has two parties. Both
parties are expected to do their part. Frankly, I don't worry
so much about what Jesus did or will do. I think about it and
have beliefs; but my faith tells me I don't have to worry about
that. I worry more about whether I will fall short. I have
less faith in myself so that concerns me more. Will Jesus
greet me, saying, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant?"
That is what concerns me.
Can we say we believe in the Power of the Cross by focusing only
on Jesus and then failing to crucify ourselves? Or might that
be having a false christ? A christ who lacks the Power to
change lives? [/quote]
[quote]We've no excuse if we keep on racking up more debts
spiritually instead of trying to help others after we were so
bankrupt spiritually that we needed a Redeemer to get us out of
debt so we could amount to something. Jesus pays our debts,
yes, so we owe him; and he requires we pay him back. We are
his property and expected to serve. [/quote]
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: Twinc Date: April 25, 2015, 11:12 am
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[quote author=Twinc link=topic=146.msg1416#msg1416
date=1429880181]
the original gospel, which seems to have been forgotten or lost,
may be found again at JN.20:31 as simply simply believe - twinc
[/quote]
simple Simon Peter did just that - notice how his testimony
matches that as at Jn.20:31 viz "thou art the Christ, the son of
the loving God" - twinc
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Re: What is the Gospel?
By: Piper Date: April 25, 2015, 12:27 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Okay, my friend twinc. Let me look at what
you say:
[/font]
[quote][font=andale mono]The Purpose of John’s Gospel
Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his
disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are
written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son
of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
~John 20:30-31[/font][/quote]
[quote][font=andale mono]“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do
you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the
living God.”
~Matthew 16:15-16[/font][/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]I would say that "simply, simply believe" is
definitely a huge part of the Gospel of Christ (which is what
the gospel is called most often in the NT). And what are we to
believe? Above we see we are to believe that Jesus is the
Messiah, the Son of the Living God. Jesus told Peter that this
is revealed to us by His Father in heaven.
It is simple, yet profound.
This, for a disciple of Christ, is it in a nutshell, you are
right, twinc; we see that by believing (Jesus is Messiah and Son
of the Living God) we may "have life in His name." We can stop
right there. A child can grasp this; life is found in the name
of Jesus. Believe!
Of course, once that life is born within us (we become the
adopted sons and daughters of God), what are we to do with what
we have been given? We are to believe, yes . . . but what does
that belief ask of us, what are we to do to honor the God who
gives us life? I think these are important questions, don't
you?
Earlier in Matthew, Jesus encourages us to seek, that we might
find. He also tells us “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord,
Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who
does the will of my Father who is in heaven." This, too,
prompts an important question: What is the will of the Father,
and how can we discover it in our lives?
I believe if we seek, we will indeed find, although "finding"
may require hard labor, much time, and many tears. I believe
that if we truly wish to know God's will for us, we may simply
ask, yes, even for a specific sign, and it will be granted; God
will direct our footsteps. He will tell us what to do. But, we
must "simply, simply believe". ;)
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