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       Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 20, 2015, 2:02 pm
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       I'm reading a Kindle book called Theology for Beginners, by F.J.
       Sheed, and I've found I can copy and paste my highlighting to
       the forum, so thought I would.  The author gives us things of
       depth to think about, and I love having things to consider while
       I go about daily tasks.
       Mr. Sheed is a Catholic author, so some mention of Catholicism
       will occur, but not an overwhelming amount.  Much of the text is
       good for all interested in theology. I really enjoy his writing
       style.
       I'll copy a bit at a time.
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       >  . . . the joy and excitement of theological knowledge is like
       the joy and excitement of any other love— it cannot be explained
       to one who has not experienced it; it need not be explained to
       one who has. I shall keep, therefore, to the plainest of
       reasons. Truth is food and truth is light.
       --- End Quote ---
       
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       > Revealed truth, then, is food. Now it is a peculiarity of food
       that it nourishes only those who eat it. We are not nourished by
       the food that someone else has eaten. To be nourished by it, we
       must eat it ourselves.
       --- End Quote ---
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       > Truth is light too. Not to see it is to be in darkness, to see
       it wrong is to be in double darkness. The greater part of
       reality can be known only if God tells us: doctrine is what He
       tells: lacking it, we lack light. To be stumbling along in the
       dark, happy in the knowledge that our guides can see, is not at
       all the same thing as walking in the light. It is immeasurably
       better than stumbling through the dark with blind guides but it
       is poverty all the same.
       --- End Quote ---
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       > A Catholic, thank God, never can be wholly unnourished or
       wholly in the dark. But he may be living an undernourished life
       in the half-dark, and that is a pity.
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       > . . . it is obvious that an ignorant man can be virtuous, it
       is equally obvious that ignorance is not a virtue.
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 1307--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 21, 2015, 2:35 pm
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       --- Quote ---
       > Knowledge serves love— it can turn sour of course and serve
       pride or conceit and not love, and against this we poor sons of
       Eve must be on our guard. Knowledge does serve love. It serves
       love in one way by removing misunderstandings which are in the
       way of love, which at the best blunt love’s edge a little.
       --- End Quote ---
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       >  . . . knowledge serves love in a still better way— because
       each new thing learned and meditated about God is a new reason
       for loving Him.
       --- End Quote ---
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       > The most obvious fact of our day is that we are surrounded by
       millions who are starved of food that Christ Our Lord wanted
       them to have— they are getting too small a ration of truth, and
       of the Eucharist no ration at all. We regret their starvation,
       of course, but we do not lose any sleep over it; which raises
       the question of whether we really appreciate the food we
       ourselves get from the Church. We should not take it so calmly
       if their starvation were bodily: for we do know the value of the
       bread that perishes. If spiritual starvation is to be relieved,
       it must be largely the work of the laity, who are in daily
       contact with starvation’s victims.
       --- End Quote ---
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       > it is intolerable that men should be perishing for want of
       truth that we could bring them. But not only for their sake. For
       our own sake too: for it is not good for us, or our children, to
       be the sane minority in a society that is losing contact with
       God.
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       > . . . it is possible for a man to possess the truth, while yet
       the truth does not possess him.
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       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: April 21, 2015, 11:56 pm
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       I agree that the only  knowledge worth having serves love.  I
       believe too that willful ignorance can be a sin.   Turning away
       from things we do not want to see can  be too.
       I think of the rich man happy inside his house while Lazarus was
       miserable outside.  He could pretend everything was fine if he
       didn't have to see it.   In the story of the Good Samaritan, we
       see people going to the other side of the road to get past the
       wounded man.  I think of them averting their eyes once they saw
       him, so they could ignore him.  Willful ignorance dulls the
       conscience.
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       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Twinc
       Date: April 22, 2015, 3:06 am
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       yes....I remember as I was weaned on them, there are actually
       three in the set......I remember the feeling and the joy when I
       came across them - twinc
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       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 22, 2015, 10:14 am
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       --- Quote from: Twinc link ---
       >
       > yes....I remember as I was weaned on them, there are actually
       three in the set......I remember the feeling and the joy when I
       came across them - twinc
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Ahh!  There you are, twinc.  :)
       Yes, there is also A Map to Life and To Know Christ Jesus.
       I do like his writing style and gentle teaching methods.
       #Post#: 1337--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 22, 2015, 10:38 am
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       --- Quote ---
       > It (knowledge) serves love in one way by removing
       misunderstandings which are in the way of love, which at the
       best blunt love’s edge a little.
       --- End Quote ---
       Hi Kerry.  After the above, Mr. Sheed explained how we might
       have misconceptions about God that place a barrier between Him
       and us, for example: "Hell can raise a doubt of God’s love in a
       man who has not had his mind enriched with what the Church can
       teach him; so that he is driven piously to avert his gaze from
       some truth about God in order to keep his love undimmed."
       I think it a good point.  How many of us "avert our gaze" in
       this way, rather than seeking to understand more clearly.  We
       want to love God without reservation, and only by seeking to
       have more knowledge can we dispel misunderstandings that make us
       doubt Him in any way.
       I've begun to ask myself what causes me to "avert my eyes" that
       my love be undimmed?   It is better to seek understanding than
       to harbor doubt that we try to ignore.
       #Post#: 1338--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 22, 2015, 10:59 am
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       The book now enters discussion of "Spirit":
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       > In theology, spirit is not only a key-word, it is the
       key-word. Our Lord said to the Samaritan woman, “God is a
       spirit.” Unless we know the meaning of the word spirit, we do
       not know what He said. It is as though He had said “God is a—.”
       Which tells us nothing at all. The same is true of every
       doctrine; they all include spirit. In theology we are studying
       spirit all the time. And the mind with which we are studying it
       is a spirit too.
       --- End Quote ---
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       > Spirit is the element in us by which we know and love, by
       which therefore we decide.
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       > Spirit knows and loves. A slightly longer look at ourselves
       reveals that spirit has power , too.
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       > . . . as we shall see, the direct power the human mind has
       over its own body, mightier spirits have over all matter.
       --- End Quote ---
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       > Our ideas are not material. They have no resemblance to our
       body. Their resemblance is to our spirit. They have no shape, no
       size, no color, no weight, no space. Neither has spirit whose
       offspring they are. But no one can call it nothing; for it
       produces thought, and thought is the most powerful thing in the
       world— unless love is, which spirit also produces.
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 1339--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 22, 2015, 11:06 am
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       Ideas are the "offspring" of spirit.  They are similar in that
       neither ideas nor spirit have shape, size, color, weight, nor do
       they take up space.
       So . . . While they are very "real", they are not matter.
       #Post#: 1340--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: April 22, 2015, 11:25 am
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       How inspiring, then, to think that we, like God, also possess
       spirit and our spirit need not be dependent on matter.  Yet, our
       spirit seems helplessly anchored to our bodies.  In Scripture,
       though, I think we see instances of this anchor being overcome;
       spirit leaves body, then returns.
       If spirit leaves body, then is it no longer assigned to time and
       space?  It stretches my mind to think of a realm where time does
       not exist; it would always ever be "now."  It also stretches my
       mind to think of a realm where all that exists does not take up
       space.  What exists in such a realm would therefore be pure
       energy.  I think.
       #Post#: 1712--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Theology for Beginners
   DIR By: Twinc
       Date: May 4, 2015, 7:47 am
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       --- Quote from: Piper link ---
       >
       > Ahh!  There you are, twinc.  :)
       >
       > Yes, there is also A Map to Life and To Know Christ Jesus.
       >
       > I do like his writing style and gentle teaching methods.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       yes I have read those two too but the two others I meant that I
       could not then recall were 'Society and Sanity' and 'Theology
       and Sanity' - twinc
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