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#Post#: 102--------------------------------------------------
Traditions
By: Helen Date: November 29, 2014, 2:14 pm
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It seems that once or twice lately the word TRADITIONS has
cropped up. Many seem to believe that we must have/keep "the
traditions". Having been in a very legalistic controlling group
in my past, I don't care for any traditions..
I don't see that Jesus told us to keep any traditions. In fact
He seems to come and break all the traditions and throw away the
moulds. He sure has lots to say to the Pharisees about
traditions.
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were NOT redeemed with
corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain
conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without
blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the
world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by Him do believe in God, that raised Him up from the
dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in
God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth
through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that
ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
What do others think...feel, or believe about traditions?
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Re: Traditions
By: Stan Date: November 29, 2014, 2:41 pm
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It's a fine line between man made traditions and God initiated
traditions. Paul talks about maintaining the traditions he
taught in the NT, but Jesus was referring to man-made traditions
the Pharisees taught that were NOT according to the actual OT
law.
The closest example I can think of today is the RCC and all the
traditions that have come down through their leadership but have
no basis in scripture.
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Re: Traditions
By: Deborah Date: November 29, 2014, 3:45 pm
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It isn't as simple as declaring that all traditions are bad.
Did Jesus Himself reject all non-Biblical traditions? No! For
example, the Jewish practice of saying a blessing before meals
was not commanded in the Old Testament – it is a tradition. Yet
we know from the gospels that Jesus regularly followed this
tradition (e.g. Mark 6:41, Luke 24:30). Also, the custom of
worshipping in the synagogue began during the Exile and is
nowhere mentioned in the OT. Yet Jesus conformed to this
“man-made” tradition (Luke 4:16), and never spoke against it.
So are there 'good' traditions and 'bad' traditions - or would
it be better to classify them as 'helpful' and 'unhelpful or
dangerous'?
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Re: Traditions
By: Helen Date: November 29, 2014, 5:21 pm
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[quote]quote Deborah..So are there 'good' traditions and 'bad'
traditions - or would it be better to classify them as 'helpful'
and 'unhelpful or dangerous'?
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Thanks Deborah...that is helpful and something to muse
upon...maybe I am too "black and white"...
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Re: Traditions
By: A nonny mouse Date: November 29, 2014, 7:39 pm
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[quote author=Deborah link=topic=14.msg108#msg108
date=1417297526]
It isn't as simple as declaring that all traditions are bad.
Did Jesus Himself reject all non-Biblical traditions? No! For
example, the Jewish practice of saying a blessing before meals
was not commanded in the Old Testament – it is a tradition. Yet
we know from the gospels that Jesus regularly followed this
tradition (e.g. Mark 6:41, Luke 24:30). Also, the custom of
worshipping in the synagogue began during the Exile and is
nowhere mentioned in the OT. Yet Jesus conformed to this
“man-made” tradition (Luke 4:16), and never spoke against it.
So are there 'good' traditions and 'bad' traditions - or would
it be better to classify them as 'helpful' and 'unhelpful or
dangerous'?
[/quote]
Brilliant post.
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Re: Traditions
By: Stan Date: November 29, 2014, 9:06 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=14.msg109#msg109 date=1417303313]
Thanks Deborah...that is helpful and something to muse
upon...maybe I am too "black and white"...
[/quote]
You're mostly white Helen...I've seen your picture. ;)
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Re: Traditions
By: Helen Date: November 29, 2014, 11:39 pm
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[quote author=Mighty Mouse link=topic=14.msg117#msg117
date=1417316775]
You're mostly white Helen...I've seen your picture. ;)
[/quote]
Maybe that's not too bad then..Jesus said He would rather have
hot or cold, not luke warm...maybe that also means He would
rather have black or white..and not a dirty grey!! ;D
#Post#: 122--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traditions
By: Stan Date: November 30, 2014, 12:30 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=14.msg121#msg121 date=1417325950]
Maybe that's not too bad then..Jesus said He would rather have
hot or cold, not luke warm...maybe that also means He would
rather have black or white..and not a dirty grey!! ;D
[/quote]
Exactly!
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Re: Traditions
By: Kerry Date: November 30, 2014, 1:10 am
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I believe there are both wrong traditions and then the right
one. Take the belief of some of the Jews in the resurrection.
We would be hard pressed to find that in the Old Testament
unless we were told the correct way to interpret things. The
Sadducees had a false tradition and denied the resurrection.
They had the Torah but read it according to a tradition of men,
not according to the tradition which Moses was given and which
he gave to Joshua who handed it down to future generations.
Where is "Messiah" mentioned in the Old Testament? The word
"messiah" is used but not in the same way. They use it to mean
earthly kings, earthly priests and so on.
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Re: Traditions
By: Stan Date: November 30, 2014, 3:01 pm
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[quote author=Danger Mouse link=topic=14.msg123#msg123
date=1417331446]
I believe there are both wrong traditions and then the right
one. Take the belief of some of the Jews in the resurrection.
We would be hard pressed to find that in the Old Testament
unless we were told the correct way to interpret things. The
Sadducees had a false tradition and denied the resurrection.
They had the Torah but read it according to a tradition of men,
not according to the tradition which Moses was given and which
he gave to Joshua who handed it down to future generations.
Where is "Messiah" mentioned in the Old Testament? The word
"messiah" is used but not in the same way. They use it to mean
earthly kings, earthly priests and so on.
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Well it is used in Dan 9:25 & 26. The Hebrew word is
מָשִׁ֣יחַ
which is transliterated as mâshı̂yach, which has
the following meaning and connotations;
anointed, anointed one
1. of the Messiah, Messianic prince
2. of the king of Israel
3. of the high priest of Israel
4. of Cyrus
5. of the patriarchs as anointed kings
Let's remember Messiah is the English equivalent of
mâshı̂yach, but we also refer to Him as the
Christ which menas the same thing but from the Greek.
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