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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: Kerry Date: April 29, 2015, 8:37 pm
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Enoch 6:9 And all the elect shall rejoice,
And there shall be forgiveness of sins,
And every mercy and peace and forbearance:
There shall be salvation unto them, a goodly light.
And they shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the
earth.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: bradley Date: April 29, 2015, 10:43 pm
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Yes, another similar passage used by new testament writers. I
notice the hard statement, "All you sinners shall have no
salvation." But I think this applies to sinners who sin
regularly with no regret or sincere repentance to follow.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: Kerry Date: April 30, 2015, 6:22 am
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[quote author=bradley link=topic=130.msg1642#msg1642
date=1430365387]
Yes, another similar passage used by new testament writers. I
notice the hard statement, "All you sinners shall have no
salvation." But I think this applies to sinners who sin
regularly with no regret or sincere repentance to follow.
[/quote]Yes, I think so too since he says that those who repent
will not suffer.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: bradley Date: April 30, 2015, 8:59 am
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And then verse 9 is such a blessing of promise to those of us
looking forward to never letting our Lord down again. That the
future does hold promise of sinlessness.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: Piper Date: May 5, 2015, 1:53 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Years of destruction multiplied, with eternal
loathing of days contrasted with eternal gladness and peace.
Again very different fates for the godless and the elect. Mercy
and no mercy.[/font]
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: bradley Date: May 5, 2015, 10:27 pm
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Mercy for the fallen angels and their children has led to much
much much evil. Trust God to know when enough is enough. He
is worthy!
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: bradley Date: May 5, 2015, 11:14 pm
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Chap 6
1.And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied
that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely
daughters. 2And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and
lusted after them, and said to one another: "Come, let us choose
us wives from among the children of men and beget us children."
3And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: "I fear ye
will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to
pay the penalty of a great sin."
4And they all answered him and said: "Let us all swear an oath,
and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon
this plan but to do this thing."
5Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual
imprecations upon it. 6And they were in all two hundred; who
descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon,
and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and
bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
7And these are the names of their leaders: Samiazaz, their
leader, Arakiba, Rameel, Kokabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Danel,
ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel,
Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. 8These are their
chiefs of tens.
The leaders names are listed. The leader of them all is listed
two different ways... once Samjaza, then later Samiazaz. I can
only assume that they are two aspects of the same person, and
the words/names are descriptive of him in different ways. I
also note that the names are basically in angelic language.
Also there was a Jared listed in the genealogy down from Adam,
and he was Enoch's father, in Genesis 5... Is this the Jared
they speak of, I assume so.
16 And Mahalalel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and
thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 and all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred ninety and
five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived a hundred sixty and two years, and begat
Enoch:
19 and Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and
begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two
years: and he died.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: Kerry Date: May 6, 2015, 9:36 am
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The listing of the names of angels is unusual. Daniel mentions
Gabriel and Michael; and that's it for names of angels in the
Old Testament unless you include books like Tobit which mentions
Raphael. There is a theory that someone went through most of
the Old Testament and took out names, substituting either "the
LORD" or "the angel of the LORD" in several places. The reason
would have been to conceal these names so people wouldn't be
tempted to worship them if they didn't know their names. The
names were passed on in the Oral Tradition at times; but in the
written Scriptures they were not. I have sometimes wondered if
perhaps this mentioning of names was one reason the Jews did not
always like the book of Enoch. My guess (and it's just a
guess) is that the book of Daniel was already out and popular
and in too many copies before the names in it could be censored.
I know the Sanhedrin wanted to hide the book of Ezekiel but
couldn't. Rabbi Maimonides said as much. It was too popular
and too widely circulated to be able to hide away. He was
referring to the mentioning of the cherubim, of course.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: bradley Date: May 6, 2015, 10:37 pm
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Well, the characteristics of the angels in the book of enoch
seem to inflame much of both Jewish and Christian tradition.
Probably there was an oral (passed down from Noah) tradition
that most of mankind prior to the flood worshipped the fallen
angels, despite their harsh treatment of man, and why the flood
took the children of angels and man alike, short of Noah and
wife and sons. They probably feared the same problem arising
again. And so thought they would bury, or belittle the written
copy of the oral tradition in that.
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Re: The uniqueness of the Book of Enoch
By: Piper Date: May 6, 2015, 11:23 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]There's Lucifer and Apollyon, too-- fallen
angels in the Bible. Apollyon is, I think, supposed to lead an
end-time army.
Was there two angelic rebellions, then? If Satan was in Eden,
that indicates a rebellion, probably before the creation. This
rebellion was later, before the flood.[/font]
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