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Re: what is the problem?
By: Piper Date: April 24, 2015, 11:16 am
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[quote]Twink: just look how we have complicated the simple
simple original gospel of simply simply believe as at Jn.20:31
which is here as elsewhere proved as Jesus said almost simply
simply impossible for complicated adults - twinc
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[font=trebuchet ms]We do love complexity, don't we ;D, at least
until our brains are tied in knots and we need a handful of
pain-relievers, at which point we embrace "simply, simply
believe." [/font]:-*
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Re: what is the problem?
By: Amadeus Date: April 24, 2015, 12:15 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=120.msg1427#msg1427
date=1429891636]
[font=trebuchet ms]Thank you, John. I appreciate, esp. the list
of verses which show why we should "count it all joy" to be
overcomers.
The wording tripped me up: I didn't know what "diverse
temptations" meant. Some bible versions say "many trials" which
is a bit easier to understand. It almost sounded like, "Be
joyful when temptations come your way" which seemed to conflict
with Jesus telling us to pray, "Lead us NOT into temptation."
All that talk of lust was difficult, too. Lust of the flesh,
lust of the eyes, and the pride of life." The TLB says it this
way:[/font]
[font=trebuchet ms]I think you're using the KJV, which can still
be difficult for me at times (and impossible for Kevin!),
although I do think the language within it beautiful.
I think I understand: The trials in our life and each
temptation we successfully resist all strengthen us, helping us
to be counted as overcomers worthy of the "rewards" you listed.
Thanks. :)[/font]
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[font=courier]
Yep I am guilty of regularly using the KJV for English. It's
been my mainstay for nearly 40 years now. Other English Bible
language sounds foreign or even wrong to my ear although I own
copies of many of them. In addition to reading that version
continuously [along with the Spanish and German] I have a
studied many of the word meanings of the KJV over the years so
that few of them throw a monkey wrench into my works. [/font]
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Re: what is the problem?
By: Kerry Date: May 31, 2015, 5:48 am
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[quote author=Patrick link=topic=120.msg1349#msg1349
date=1429731651]
( as you can see ; i am not in a hurry with this topic )
[/quote]Yes, Patrick, now I see you're not in a hurry! ;)
Question: Have we derailed this thread so badly, you felt like
giving up on us? If so, why not ignore the past posts and give
it another go?
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Re: what is the problem?
By: A nonny mouse Date: May 31, 2015, 6:37 am
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Thinking about threads that get derailed, and/or simply die in
their boots, I have just finished re-reading
HTML http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/911-catholic-church-christ.html.
I read that as part of an exercise to clear my head about my
forum pathway which has led me to so despise Christendom's
mainstream 'Christianity' (after five years I'm still banned
from re-registering to T2O....but what can you expect with me
having started such heretical threads).
How's that for an irrelevant derailment?
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Re: what is the problem?
By: Piper Date: May 31, 2015, 2:02 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]I worry Patrick may not be feeling well.
I worry about Mike, too, but can't quite figure out how to help
him. Though I wish I could.[/font]
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Re: what is the problem?
By: A nonny mouse Date: May 31, 2015, 5:22 pm
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[quote author=Piper link=topic=120.msg2144#msg2144
date=1433098924]
[font=trebuchet ms]I worry about Mike, but can't quite figure
out how to help him. Though I wish I could.[/font]
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I hereby conclude my ‘pulling of the plug’ and must grasp
whatever ‘faith’ I can salvage as the last drop of dirty
bathwater drains away.
I just have to hold onto something even if I cannot properly
explain what it is that I cling to.
One the one hand ‘my’ God, created a universe that exists under
the control of the laws of nature without our knowledge of if
and when he might intervene to overrule nature's effects.
On the other hand I cry “Abba Father” as instinctively as if he
were a constant presence, whether in need or in thanksgiving.
I cannot further explain or reconcile the two, but remain
determined to hold onto both together with the ‘hope’ that a
‘bright tomorrow’ lies beyond the grave.
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Re: what is the problem?
By: Poppy Date: May 31, 2015, 5:28 pm
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Perhaps you are trying to work it all out with logic rather than
just accept that God is God and just be at peace resting in him
and allowing the Holy Spirit to show you the way?
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Re: what is the problem?
By: Piper Date: May 31, 2015, 6:38 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Mike, I think sometimes, just like a plant,
our faith goes thru seasons. Sometimes it grows tall and strong
and we feel that God is only one breath away. Other times
driving rain comes, the wind blows, and the storms rage. We
might find our faith cut off at the roots, struggling. I've
been there and back. But, truly, as long as we hold that one
mustard seed of faith and never let it go, I think it contains
unlimited potential. God will once again bring the gentle
showers, the fertile ground, the breeze we sail by, and the fire
that lights our soul. We rise again. He said He would be with
us to the end of the age, and I know He understands where you
stand, right now. He is still with you. Never doubt it. :-*
Don't leave us. Take breaks, but don't leave.
What was it you used to say? "Nothing in my hand I bring . .
."[/font]
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Re: what is the problem?
By: A nonny mouse Date: June 1, 2015, 1:53 am
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[quote author=Poppy link=topic=120.msg2151#msg2151
date=1433111300]
Perhaps you are trying to work it all out with logic rather than
just accept that God is God and just be at peace resting in him
and allowing the Holy Spirit to show you the way?
[/quote]
If I replace 'Holy Spirit' with 'him' I think that is in fact
what I am doing.
But is it not 'logic' that brought me to that resolution?
Is it possible for me to make that determined resolution other
than by the use of logic?
I've been 'all around the houses', down every blind alley,
dismissed the 'Mediterranean God' in favour of a God of the
entire universe, dismissed the idea of the Bible (which 'man'
compiled) as being written and compiled without imaginative and
limited human guesswork, dismissed every human attempt at
'religious denomination', but am still left with an instinctive
'God shaped space in my heart' which I cannot escape, and which
I have distilled down to my basic described 'faith'.
Has that process leaned too heavily on 'logic'?
Is logic inescapable?
Is not logic contained within the 'mind' part of loving God with
"heart, soul, and mind"?
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Re: what is the problem?
By: Poppy Date: June 1, 2015, 6:13 am
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Just trust the Holy Spirit Mike. Just let him show you. Stop
thinking too hard and trying to work it all out. You don't have
to do that and it will do you more harm than good. Just rest,
just abide, keep connected to the vine and let his life flow
through. Try to stop yourself from fretting over it or being
anxious. Let go and let God.
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