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       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Amadeus
       Date: May 24, 2015, 4:18 pm
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       --- Quote from: Piper link ---
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       > I think, John, that Mike simply objects to the "dissection" of
       God to a point where simple faith and trust become irrelevant.
       I do understand his frustration, stemming from years of reading
       people's conflicting assertions of exactly what and who both
       "God" and "Christ" are, and all the endless and often irreverent
       questioning and casting of doubt on every possible theological
       question imaginable.  Add to that the fact that the debates
       themselves often lead to very "un-Christian" behavior.
       --- End Quote ---
       I understand and agree, Piper.
       We cannot however, that is, we must not lose hope because of
       what we see as the misdeeds or misunderstandings of people,
       including ourselves. Mike has seen very much good from God. The
       stumblings and failures of fleshly things must not be our
       guidepost. What if Jesus had done that?
       We must grow in the things of God even our fleshly world at time
       seems to be crumbling around us. Our ultimate focus must be on
       our Lord. Remember what happened to Peter's walking on water
       when he took his eyes off of Jesus.
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       > Is better to simply love than to impose dominance in supposed
       personal knowledge of God and Christ, or Scripture for that
       matter.  How many times do we/ have we caused one another to
       stumble when we should be helping and strengthening one another?
       --- End Quote ---
       
       Well probably all of us have failed in endeavors to do a good
       turn to another because thought we knew better and we did not.
       We have to trust God because He alone is always trustworthy.
       When is it time to speak and when is it time to be silent? God
       alone always knows. Sometimes He tells us, but too often it
       seems that we are not listening or if we are listening, we are
       disobedient.
       
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       > Many things are deemed "mysteries" for good reason, and should
       be accepted as such.
       >
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       They should be accepted as such for as long as they have not
       been revealed to us. Will they all remain mysteries always to
       every person? I think not.
       "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in
       whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content" Phil 4:11
       #Post#: 2045--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: bradley
       Date: May 24, 2015, 11:29 pm
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       I agree with many of your thoughts.   We must hold on to the
       faith that we know in our hearts is good, and trust God to be
       our guide even when it seems we are wondering amidst the storms
       of life.   Is the storms Gods will?   Certainly not in His
       perfect will, but He can use it to the glory of Himself and His
       children.   The things I cling to more than most is love for
       your fellow man, love and trust God, pray often, and trust God
       amidst the evil voices that tell us we should fear what we face
       in the world, and the last of all, dont fear death for ourselves
       or those we love.   Death is but a gateway to life at its
       fullest.   Trust God and His love and compassion, and dont fear
       what man can do to us despite what our minds tell us otherwise.
       #Post#: 2095--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: May 27, 2015, 5:38 pm
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       ^ Good thoughts, gentlemen.
       PATRICK:  R U OK?  Missing U.
       MIKE:  How was u'r "uneventful" day?
       #Post#: 2100--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: A nonny mouse
       Date: May 28, 2015, 1:44 am
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       --- Quote from: Piper link ---
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       > ^ Good thoughts, gentlemen.
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       > PATRICK:  R U OK?  Missing U.
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       > MIKE:  How was u'r "uneventful" day?
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       Gardening was my day's one and only event.
       Brad says pray often.....but I don't 'do' on the knees, head
       bowed, hands together, eyes shut, type of prayer.
       Prayer for me is when my mind 'wanders off' into that spiritual
       realm that I struggle unsuccessfully to understand and hesitate
       to attempt to define lest, by doing so, I pull God down to the
       level of mortal imagination.
       #Post#: 2103--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Piper
       Date: May 28, 2015, 4:39 am
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       > Mike:  Gardening was my day's one and only event.
       >
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       Some people claim everything they need to know about God, they
       learned in their garden.
       #Post#: 2104--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Poppy
       Date: May 28, 2015, 4:44 am
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       I did gardening yesterday too; filled up my green bin to the
       top.  Have to wait till next week till I can do some more.
       Frustrating.
       #Post#: 2108--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: bradley
       Date: May 28, 2015, 9:37 am
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       Got all my planting done for about a week now.   Have already
       had several bowl fulls of strawberries from my strawberry patch,
       they are delicious and very good for me.   I used to use sugar
       with them but gave up on the sugar, dont need it really, excess
       sweetness isnt really good for me and its sweet enough without.
       My potatoes and tomatoes are both 2-3 feet tall and some
       blooms.   I sprayed the tomatoes while in bloom with a solution
       that has potassium I think as its primary chemical.   It helps
       keep the tomatoes from getting blossom end rot.   The corn will
       be knee high by the fourth of July (american rhyme to indicate
       what to hope for) as its already about 1/2 foot high.   Also
       been eating some on the onions and mustard greens.
       #Post#: 2109--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Poppy
       Date: May 28, 2015, 9:47 am
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       I always think the people who grow fruit and vegetables are the
       real gardeners.  I admire you Bradley.
       #Post#: 2110--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: May 28, 2015, 10:23 am
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       --- Quote from: Poppy link ---
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       > I did gardening yesterday too; filled up my green bin to the
       top.  Have to wait till next week till I can do some more.
       Frustrating.
       >
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       If you're waiting to pull up weeds because of the bin problem,
       you could be in real trouble since the longer you wait the
       bigger the weeds will be when you get to them.   That would mean
       the bin fills up all the time, and you might never catch up.
       I'd be thinking of  putting the weeds into plastic bags
       temporarily.
       Does where you live allow you to take stuff to their compost
       area?   Where I live, they pick up leaves and branches once a
       year -- but anyone can take stuff and add it to their piles
       anytime.   Oh, we can get free compost too. I do my own
       composting though.
       Do you have neighbors who would let you use their green bins?
       
       I don't know how your garden is set up; but sometimes I pull
       weeds or pick up twigs and branches and hide them behind
       flowers instead of carrying them to the compost pile.   ;D
       #Post#: 2111--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Member's Chat
   DIR By: Poppy
       Date: May 28, 2015, 11:12 am
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       They only empty our green bins once every two weeks Kerry.  But
       it's not weeds we need it for - we don't have many of them - but
       the stuff we cut have to cut back from our very mature garden.
       We don't have a lawn so no grass clippings either but we do have
       a hedge which needs trimming once or twice a year.
       We have a forty foot garden front and back and as we have no
       transport we can't take our garden refuse to the tip.  Plastic
       bags are ok for emergencies but then it all has to be tipped
       into the bin anyway as they won't take plastic bags.  We mostly
       do ok but have had to cut down a couple of conifers due to snow
       damage and they have more or less filled the bins two or three
       times over.  We still have another to cut back as well as a lot
       of other overgrown stuff and we can only do it when we get a
       good day with the weather.
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