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#Post#: 959--------------------------------------------------
John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Colin Feener
Date: April 6, 2015, 10:40 pm
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Now what I will show you will surprise you, I hope anyway.
Look at the new testament in the literal sense. The literal is
for sinners and it is all considered the Law of the new
testament. We all know law is for sinners just as the old
testament was the book of Law,for the Jews, not just the ten
commandments. Law is of a righteousness, the righteousness of
this world is the law. Well, until we come to Jesus, we all know
that. Now look at John, the Baptist. He was there to bare
witness of Jesus, not the light, but witness to the light. New
testament, literal, that is what it does, bare witness to Jesus.
When Jesus went and got baptized and then John said, it is you
that should baptize me. Now, you have to believe me on this. To
be baptized by someone means to be baptized into his teaching.
So John needed Jesus to baptize him but yet Jesus said this. It
is right we obtain all righteousness. He is talking about the
Law as the righteousness there.The teachings of the bible are as
water and the wisdom of them are as the Jordan river. The new
testament in the literal sense is the body of John the baptist,
well, the followers of the new testament in the literal sense
are disciples of John the baptist,not Jesus. Now when Jesus
baptizes John, means he adds his teachings to John and they are
the Spirit and the fire John spoke about. Now you see how Jesus
did nothing to save John and he had his head cut off. The
scriptures are the head, The spiritual are Jesus and he is my
head and hopefully yours too but the new testament was John and
his end is without head because Jesus becomes our head after we
move into the Spiritual teachings.
Now, when the Lord showed me that, I jumped right up in the
air and said WOW, WOW WOW Lord. I get it and that is a great
teaching. I hope you like it too. Love you all. Collin
In case you missed it what I am saying here is that the new
testament followers, in the literal sense are following John the
baptist and not Jesus. They are the disciples of John the
baptist and that is why so many of the disciples of Jesus were
the disciples of John the baptist first,before the followed
Jesus. And by now you should see also that the way things were
as written is also the way the bible itself is.
#Post#: 970--------------------------------------------------
Re: John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Colin Feener
Date: April 7, 2015, 7:57 pm
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So many time , me and John, ( Amadeus ) discussed that where
it was said , I must decrease and he must increase. Those are
the words of John the baptist. This is where it comes from, in
the new testament, the literal is John and he must decrease .
The Spiritual is Jesus and he must increase.
I allways wondered why it was said John ate locust and wild
hones and wore the skins of animals. that is the food of the
sinner and the cloth of the sinner or the cursed like Adam.
That now shows me that he is of this world and the Law was his
righteousness.m He was preaching that while baring witness to
Jesus too. He was showing thew Jews what they had done to his
people.
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Re: John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Piper
Date: April 8, 2015, 12:38 pm
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I always understood "He must increase, but I must decrease" to
mean that John's ministry was to decrease. It was coming to a
close, and he was ready and willing to step aside for Jesus,
because John knew that he was only the forerunner, a "voice
crying in the wilderness, make way for the Lord." John knew who
he, himself, was, and what his role was. Without envy or
malice, he then began to point others to Jesus. John's ministry
was to decrease. Jesus' ministry was about to increase, toward
a kingdom with no end. Amazing, isn't it?
I'm not sure why you say locusts are "food of the sinner."
Did you know locusts are actually considered "clean" food,
though I'll pass if they're on the menu. :D Might be good to
remember, though, if you're ever lost in the (literal)
wilderness.
--- Quote ---
> [center] Leviticus 11:20-23 (NIV)
>
> 20 “‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be
regarded as unclean by you. 21 There are, however, some flying
insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have
jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat
any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all
other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as
unclean.[/center]
--- End Quote ---
Eating honey brings to mind:
--- Quote ---
> [center] Psalm 19:9-10 (NIV)
>
> 9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
> enduring forever.
> The decrees of the Lord are firm,
> and all of them are righteous.
>
> 10 They are more precious than gold,
> than much pure gold;
> they are sweeter than honey,
> than honey from the honeycomb.[/center]
--- End Quote ---
And, also:
--- Quote ---
> [center] Psalm 119:101-104 (NIV)
>
> 101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
> so that I might obey your word.
> 102 I have not departed from your laws,
> for you yourself have taught me.
> 103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
> sweeter than honey to my mouth!
> 104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
> therefore I hate every wrong path.[/center]
--- End Quote ---
I suppose you might mean that John ate locusts and wild honey
rather than the spiritual word of God? (Although he was a great
man of God.) That he wore the skins of animals, meaning he was
covered as is a "beast", which is man without spiritual
understanding? John was of the "old" covenant and Jesus had
arrived to bring forth the "new"?
What follows "He must increase, but I must decrease"?
--- Quote ---
> [center]John 3:31-36 (KJV)
>
> 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the
earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from
heaven is above all.
>
> 32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no
man receiveth his testimony.
>
> 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal
that God is true.
>
> 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for
God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
>
> 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into
his hand.
>
> 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he
that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of
God abideth on him.
> [/center]
--- End Quote ---
God gave Jesus the Spirit, not "by measure." As Messiah, Jesus
possesses the fullness of the Spirit and His graces.
Here, too, we're reminded that those who "believeth on the Son"
have everlasting life. Without the Son, the wrath of God is
upon us.
It is good to remember, also, that although John was making way
for Jesus, Jesus said this of John:
--- Quote ---
> [center]Matthew 11:11 (KJV)
>
> 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women
there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is
greater than he.[/center]
--- End Quote ---
No one greater. John was the greatest OT prophet (see Matthew
11:9) In the New Covenant, however, the least NT saint
outshines the most illustrious saints of old. Those prophets
looked ahead to the New Covenant, but did not fully share its
blessings (Matthew 13:17). Jesus is contrasting the Old and New
Covenants, not undermining the saintly life of John.
I can kind of understand (I think) your reasoning that the New
Testament without spiritual understanding is like John the
Baptist--that is, it is a forerunner to Greater Truth, just as
John was a forerunner to Christ. We read literally, but there
is more to be grasped. The spiritual, then, is Jesus, all
fulness of truth.
(I hope I'm not disappointing you here, Colin. I'm trying to
follow your thinking, but it comes in bits and pieces.
Nonetheless, I do love searching out the Scriptures you refer
to.)
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Re: John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Colin Feener
Date: April 8, 2015, 6:07 pm
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How can you even think you might have disappointed me. I
loved everything you had to say and there are very few willing
to stand with me. Don't know why but I am glad you are. Piper,
you are of great value to the Lord and me too you know. I love
you for what you are doing and can't thank you enough. Your
pretty good too. By the way, I don't think I'm too good to be
helped.
#Post#: 991--------------------------------------------------
Re: John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Piper
Date: April 9, 2015, 11:22 am
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In my life, you are all family.
I think the Christian faith is in somewhat of a state of
confusion these days. We can only reason together. No one can
be forced to believe anything.
Be at peace, Colin.
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Re: John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Amadeus
Date: April 17, 2015, 12:32 pm
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John the Baptist was/is an important part of a man's walk toward
God, a stepping stone if you will. Another way to see what Colin
is saying is to look at the Baptist as natural Israel following
the law as given by God to Moses.
To go across the stream, without getting your feet wet, you must
step carefully on each stepping stone until you reach the other
side. John the Baptist is a necessary stepping stone, but to
remain on him is to never reach the other side, to never reach
the goal that God has set before us.
"And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And
they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of
repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on
him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." Acts
19:3-4
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Re: John the baptist and the new testament
DIR By: Colin Feener
Date: April 17, 2015, 9:35 pm
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That is good too John, he is a stepping stone. The way I see
it now is like I said but it is important anyway we can get it.
I like John the law ans Jesus the spirit. Thanks brother. John,
you are welcome to put some things in too of course. I'm on the
revelation book now and hope to be abler to explain it all soon
and even right this time. With the Lord's help, of course too.
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