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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: August 28, 2019, 8:44 am
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There have been instances in the past when an officials has done
two VARs on the same day - e.g. Moss did Man Utd V Reading and
Palace V Grimsby in January in the FA Cup. Oliver's Europa
League appointment on Thursday obviously explains why he is not
refereeing this weekend - he's done Spurs/Everton the past few
weeks so couldn't do a Sunday game.
I'm not sure there are enough recently retired PL officials to
take on the VAR roles - how many SG referees have retired in the
last 5 years for instance? At the moment, many of them have
probably gone on to other things, whether that's taking up
coaching roles in the organisation or going onto pastures new.
Would many of them necessarily want to do it?
Perhaps wover time we will see some officials kept on in a VAR
capacity after retiring from active on-field officiating but
when I look at the comments many recently retired referees make
in the media (even those not affiliated to the PGMO, who
obviously have a particular agenda) I wonder whether they would
really be right for the role. There can obviously be a decline
in people's sharpness and eyesight, etc. as they get older and
they can quickly become quite detached from the modern game.
I think the issue regarding Fourth Officials is often
overstated. Before Mike Riley's time, it often used to be the
case that NL officials would be appointed as FOs. Let's take a
look at a random set of appointments on the old board -
HTML https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ratetheref/sg-appointments-t196.html<br
/>You had M Pike as Fourth Official for Blackburn V West Ham (a
live game), P Miller as FO for Chelsea V Sheffield United, I
Williamson as FO for Tottenham V Watford
Another weekend has the likes of Miller, Halls, Laws and Penton
on FO duties -
HTML https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ratetheref/select-group-appointments-t357.html
It's often said that there aren't enough opportunities for up
and coming referees (some even feeling that we should go back to
just one national list) so I think there are potential benefits
to having younger referees getting the chance to experience
games at a higher level and seeing how some of the SG1 referees
operate.
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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: BabyRef
Date: August 28, 2019, 9:27 am
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They use retired officials in rugby and it generally works very
well - it admittedly takes up time to build the pool of
officials but you would only need a panel of ten.
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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: DER
Date: August 28, 2019, 9:40 am
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--- Quote from: BabyRef link ---
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> This is why I think they should use recently retired PL
officials as VARs (the likes of Swarbrick etc) - the pool of
talent is too thin to have top officials reffing, VARing and
acting as fourth officials.
>
> I think being a VAR is such a specialist craft that I don't
see why they need to be serving officials - there is no fitness
requirement and they just need to stay on top of the laws and
technology.
>
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BRING BACK PHIL DOWD!
#Post#: 10539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: August 28, 2019, 11:52 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
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> Is it unusual for a referee to have 2 VAR appointments on the
same day? Oliver has the 12.30 k.o. for Southampton v Man
United and then on again at 17.30 for Burnley v Liverpool,
presumably having only got back from his EL game in Turkey the
day before.
>
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Andy Halliday had the early and late games on the first PL
Saturday as AVAR...
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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: bmb
Date: August 28, 2019, 12:10 pm
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Saves anyone getting stuck in traffic on the way to Stockley
Park...
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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: Fengunner
Date: August 28, 2019, 2:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
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>
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> Strange for Atkinson to get Arsenal twice before the first
international break of the season.
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>
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Not unusual at all, Arsenal seem to get the same half dozen
officials over and over again - Riley certainly doesn't do
rotation where we are concerned.
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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: August 28, 2019, 2:37 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> There have been instances in the past when an officials has
done two VARs on the same day - e.g. Moss did Man Utd V Reading
and Palace V Grimsby in January in the FA Cup. Oliver's Europa
League appointment on Thursday obviously explains why he is not
refereeing this weekend - he's done Spurs/Everton the past few
weeks so couldn't do a Sunday game.
>
> I'm not sure there are enough recently retired PL officials to
take on the VAR roles - how many SG referees have retired in the
last 5 years for instance? At the moment, many of them have
probably gone on to other things, whether that's taking up
coaching roles in the organisation or going onto pastures new.
Would many of them necessarily want to do it?
>
> Perhaps wover time we will see some officials kept on in a VAR
capacity after retiring from active on-field officiating but
when I look at the comments many recently retired referees make
in the media (even those not affiliated to the PGMO, who
obviously have a particular agenda) I wonder whether they would
really be right for the role. There can obviously be a decline
in people's sharpness and eyesight, etc. as they get older and
they can quickly become quite detached from the modern game.
>
> I think the issue regarding Fourth Officials is often
overstated. Before Mike Riley's time, it often used to be the
case that NL officials would be appointed as FOs. Let's take a
look at a random set of appointments on the old board -
HTML https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ratetheref/sg-appointments-t196.html<br
/>You had M Pike as Fourth Official for Blackburn V West Ham (a
live game), P Miller as FO for Chelsea V Sheffield United, I
Williamson as FO for Tottenham V Watford
>
> Another weekend has the likes of Miller, Halls, Laws and
Penton on FO duties -
HTML https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ratetheref/select-group-appointments-t357.html
>
> It's often said that there aren't enough opportunities for up
and coming referees (some even feeling that we should go back to
just one national list) so I think there are potential benefits
to having younger referees getting the chance to experience
games at a higher level and seeing how some of the SG1 referees
operate.
>
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The legendary S Artis as linesman... one is baffled how he
managed to do such a woeful job consistently in the Premier
League.
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Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: August 30, 2019, 7:44 am
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Good luck to Peter Bankes for his debut! I hope he can develop
into an excellent SG1 official.
As for the rest of the appointments, Mike Dean and Martin
Atkinson seem to be regulars on TV so far alongside Oliver and
Taylor. Surely, with both officials having already achieved all
they will in the game, they could be used to help develop the
next generation and not have PL appointments week in, week out.
The Atkinson appointment is particularly disappointing. I can't
believe that so few referees can be trusted by Mike Riley that
they have to referee the same team just 3 weeks apart.
Finally, a note on Simon Hooper. Clearly he is no longer
regarded as good enough for the PL. Would it not make more sense
to remove him from the list and replace him with someone who
will actually referee PL games? I know he is contracted and the
legalities around that make it more difficult to simply demote
him, but surely something must be in place to demote those not
good enough. It's not really fair on Hooper himself to be
refereeing once in a blue moon!
#Post#: 10596--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 31st AUG & Sun 1st SEP 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: August 30, 2019, 8:19 am
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I think that Dean and Atkinson are still amongst the best PL
officials generally so it is reasonable for them to have a game
pretty much every week - there's no point in them continuing if
you're suddenly going to decide not to use them so much because
they're nearer the end of their careers than the start.
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