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Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: August 22, 2019, 11:45 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
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> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=933.msg10272#msg10272
date=1566474488]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=933.msg10270#msg10270
date=1566473899]
> Presumably the officials didn't give the handball on Saturday
at the time simply because they didn't see it. As has been said,
it isn't really a matter of opinion under the current
interpretation.
>
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Not only the officials, there were over 54000 others at the
match who never saw it either. Perhaps everyone needs to go to
Specsavers ---there are other opticians available :D
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I would argue this is a strength of VAR - think back to the
Martin Skrtel handball in the last minute of Liverpool V Man
City in 2014. Nobody spotted it at the time or appealed. Gary
Neville said in commentary what a great header it was. The
replays then revealed he'd punched it away. If Liverpool hadn't
dropped points after that then they would have gone on to win
the title. Nowadays in the Premier League, VAR would be able to
help the referee out and give them the opportunity to make a
correct decision that they would have had no chance of making in
real time. That's why it seems many of the referees want it!
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That being the case, why is it not being used throughout the
English Football League ---are these games less important than
the Premier League?
#Post#: 10278--------------------------------------------------
Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: August 22, 2019, 12:48 pm
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No, but there is obviously less money available the lower down
the football pyramid you go. It clearly isn't viable to have VAR
at every single game of football played globally, just as it
isn't viable to have goal-line technology or neutral assistants
or whatever else you choose, but I think it is a good objective
to introduce these aids as widely as possible. Quite possibly we
will see VAR introduced into the Championship at least in due
course - whether it will go further than that any time soon, who
knows?
#Post#: 10292--------------------------------------------------
Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: August 23, 2019, 4:03 am
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> Or .... we just go back to accepting the premise that the ball
hitting an arm /hand accidentally, not caused by any deliberate
action, can, on occasion, lead to an advantageous outcome
anywhere on the field, including the scoring / creating of a
goal. Whatever happened to 'rub of the green'?!
>
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Having given it due consideration, I have to agree with this
conclusion. Handball has always required some 'mens rea' to be
an offence. The simple fact that a ball hits the arm was never
enough to penalise - anywhere on the pitch. As I suggested
previously, tinkering just makes things worse.
If a ball accidentally hits the arm or hand (Ball to hand, ref!)
then it should be within the gift of the referee to interpret
it as such. After all, that's what he's there for. VAR should
be a tool to assist when he's not sure of a big call, not a man
in a hut refereeing the game from 100 miles away!
#Post#: 10610--------------------------------------------------
Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: ajb95
Date: August 31, 2019, 10:27 am
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Bad challenge at Leicester by teilemans on Wilson. Went to VAR
and not even a free kick! ??? :o
#Post#: 10611--------------------------------------------------
Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Carter
Date: August 31, 2019, 11:09 am
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This is getting ridiculous.
Just what does it have to take for a decision to be overturned
(other than offsides)
Get rid of it, it is a shambles.
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Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: August 31, 2019, 11:11 am
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--- Quote from: Carter link ---
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> This is getting ridiculous.
>
> Just what does it have to take for a decision to be overturned
(other than offsides)
>
> Get rid of it, it is a shambles.
>
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Currently VAR seems to be upholding incorrect decisions rather
than correcting them as it should do.
The answer is surely is to improve the quality of VAR officials
so that the decisions are corrected rather than abandoning any
attempt to change.
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Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: August 31, 2019, 11:12 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> Bad challenge at Leicester by teilemans on Wilson. Went to VAR
and not even a free kick! ??? :o
>
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VAR can't just recommend a free-kick or a yellow card - VAR has
to deem it a clear red card to get involved (I haven't seen the
incident yet but it sounds like there might have been a strong
argument for a red.)
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Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: bmb
Date: August 31, 2019, 11:30 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
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> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=933.msg10610#msg10610
date=1567265249]
> Bad challenge at Leicester by teilemans on Wilson. Went to VAR
and not even a free kick! ??? :o
>
--- End Quote ---
VAR can't just recommend a free-kick or a yellow card - VAR has
to deem it a clear red card to get involved (I haven't seen the
incident yet but it sounds like there might have been a strong
argument for a red.)
[/quote]
HTML https://twitter.com/SamHeapCoaching/status/1167818933157580800
Have a look for yourself!
#Post#: 10620--------------------------------------------------
Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: August 31, 2019, 12:52 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Have a look for yourself!
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As was the case with the ridiculous free kick awarded against
Bernardo the video clip was quickly withdrawn at the request of
the copyright holder. In the case of Bernardo a clip showing
the 10 seconds or so where he bamboozled three Spurs defenders
just before he was clattered by Rose did not need to be removed.
#Post#: 10624--------------------------------------------------
Re: 1st ruled out goal by VAR in PL
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: August 31, 2019, 2:50 pm
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I saw the clip before it was removed and it looked a RC offence
to me. Phil Thompson was apoplectic on Sky's Saturday football.
Subjective decisions being left with the referee is all very
well, but subjective key match decisions can be blatantly wrong
in the eyes of the vast majority of pundits, fans and
ex-referees as has been demonstrated in several matches over the
past couple of weeks.
An interesting reply on Hackett's twitter blog alleged that Kane
had said that Mike Dean told him he had not seen the incident
clearly last week and therefore could not give a penalty.
Firstly, was that comment by Kane reported in the press do we
know?
IF it is true that Mike Dean explained to Kane he had a poor
view, isn't that where VAR should intervene and Dean ask for
help? How can it be a proper subjective decision if the referee
didn't see an incident clearly?
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