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Lee Probert
DIR By: Referee99
Date: August 8, 2019, 2:24 am
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The sun are reporting this morning that Lee Probert has failed
his fitness test and is thinking about hanging up his whistle!
HTML https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9676965/premier-league-referee-lee-probert/
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: lincs22
Date: August 8, 2019, 2:50 am
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Simply moves to VAR activities. Keeps the experience within the
game.
Wont be a loss to the overall standard.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: nemesis
Date: August 8, 2019, 3:44 am
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--- Quote from: lincs22 link ---
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> Simply moves to VAR activities. Keeps the experience within
the game.
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> Wont be a loss to the overall standard.
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Can appreciate the obvious value of experience on the field.
We've all seen on occasions what happens when it has been
lacking.
I struggle to understand why experience is needed in the role of
VAR.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: bmb
Date: August 8, 2019, 4:21 am
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Shame. He's a decent referee, steady and safe pair of hands
9.9/10. It does not surprise me though with the back injury he
was out for ages with. It was a dreadful injury & he was very
lucky to come back from it. I suspect he will count the time
after his back surgery as an added bonus. I hope he joins the
VAR team. I don't believe you necessarily need the level of
experience he has to do VAR, any decent referee from any level
should be considered for the role but it would be a shame to
lose his experience altogether. Maybe he will consider coaching
or assessing as well.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: lincs22
Date: August 8, 2019, 5:16 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
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> I struggle to understand why experience is needed in the role
of VAR.
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I think that it is the confidence that the in-field referee will
have in the advice being given. As we saw in the WWC, some VAR
decisions were doubtful at best but the inexperience of both the
referee and VAR in top level football meant they followed each
others mistakes.
I would agree 2 years down the line, experience will be less
important but initially the VAR should be of the same standard
as the on-field referee.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: August 8, 2019, 5:47 am
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Not one of the 'greats' in my book but dependable and a referee
who made the very most of his natural talent and ability. Always
a shame when injury curtails a career, I hope he finds an
appropriate niche still serving the game.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: guest3
Date: August 8, 2019, 7:00 am
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I see some people here saying that you don't need much
experience in order to sit on the VAR chair.
Well, respectfully, I disagree.
Take for example what happened at the German Super Cup. An
inexperienced VAR with only 1 year in Bundesliga and 10 matches,
forced the referee to issue a YC to Kimmich (for a VC scene)
instead of inviting him for an OFR. This was a clear violation
of the VAR protocol. A more experienced referee would assess the
situation properly and then invite the referee to watch it
again.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: nemesis
Date: August 8, 2019, 12:27 pm
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--- Quote from: edy link ---
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> I see some people here saying that you don't need much
experience in order to sit on the VAR chair.
>
> Well, respectfully, I disagree.
>
> Take for example what happened at the German Super Cup. An
inexperienced VAR with only 1 year in Bundesliga and 10 matches,
forced the referee to issue a YC to Kimmich (for a VC scene)
instead of inviting him for an OFR. This was a clear violation
of the VAR protocol. A more experienced referee would assess the
situation properly and then invite the referee to watch it
again.
>
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Objection m'lud ...... conjecture.
If a VAR official was in breach of the protocol he should have
been adopting that is just a crass error down to incompetence
not necessarily inexperience.
Crass errors are not the preserve of inexperienced = we see
plenty from experienced officials on a regular basis.
As an aside, I find the referee going over to a monitor and
viewing the footage, sometimes several times, is one of the less
appealing features of VAR.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: reflector
Date: August 8, 2019, 6:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Charlieboy link ---
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> Had very few ‘bad’ games during an excellent career,non
controversial, not elitist in any way , understood the game ,
during his recovery he spent time in the efl and was head and
shoulders above anyone else at that level, a very sad loss to
the game and I hope he stays involved.
>
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I agree with all of that. In addition, one of the few
referees at a senior level these days to look as though he
actually enjoyed being there and seemed to gave a good rapport
with the players. Sorry to see him go.
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Re: Lee Probert
DIR By: dtrv2
Date: August 8, 2019, 8:25 pm
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If he does indeed retire, I think it'll be a sad loss. Always
thought he was a very good referee. Whenever I saw him at the
Emirates it always amazed me how much he spoke to players - far
more than any other referee I've seen there. Always seemed to
referee with a smile and looked like he was highly respected by
the players. As mentioned, rarely caused any major controversy,
and never craved the limelight like Mike Dean does.
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