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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 24, 2018, 3:51 am
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[quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=9.msg1180#msg1180
date=1537778601]
My original post has been re-posted I notice under Name the
referee thread.
Am I alone in finding it confusing have two threads running 'Who
was the referee?' and 'Name the referee'. I wonder if the
threads could be merged?
[/quote]
You are not alone and I think I must have confused myself when
posting about Dunbar and Clarke. The merging of the two threads
would be v useful. I must also remember to put any responses
under the (/quote) to save it all coming out as one quote in
blue.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Left Field Date: September 24, 2018, 12:18 pm
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I started these two different (to my mind) threads back on the
old board some time ago. "Who was the referee?" was intended to
be where someone didn't know or wasn't sure who refereed a game
and could ask for answers or suggestions. "Name the referee
quiz" was, as the name suggests, where a member knew the
identity of a pictured or profiled referee and was setting a
poser. However maybe that distinction is not always obvious and
I sometimes have to give some thought to which thread to use. I
wouldn't have a problem with the threads being merged, perhaps
with a title such as "Who was the referee?" and then they could
either ask for information or set a quiz question as they wish.
This entry is of the asking for answers / suggestions although I
have an idea (no stronger than that) who the pictured referee
might be. The picture below is from before a West Brom game in
1987. I don't know the opposition and the lack of attendance
suggests it might be a friendly. The referee seems to be the
tall, partly obscured figure at the back right - he looks a
little like Ron Bridges but there may be other possibilities.
[attachimg=1]
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 25, 2018, 3:36 am
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[quote author=Left Field link=topic=9.msg1222#msg1222
date=1537809533]
I started these two different (to my mind) threads back on the
old board some time ago. "Who was the referee?" was intended to
be where someone didn't know or wasn't sure who refereed a game
and could ask for answers or suggestions. "Name the referee
quiz" was, as the name suggests, where a member knew the
identity of a pictured or profiled referee and was setting a
poser. However maybe that distinction is not always obvious and
I sometimes have to give some thought to which thread to use. I
wouldn't have a problem with the threads being merged, perhaps
with a title such as "Who was the referee?" and then they could
either ask for information or set a quiz question as they wish.
This entry is of the asking for answers / suggestions although I
have an idea (no stronger than that) who the pictured referee
might be. The picture below is from before a West Brom game in
1987. I don't know the opposition and the lack of attendance
suggests it might be a friendly. The referee seems to be the
tall, partly obscured figure at the back right - he looks a
little like Ron Bridges but there may be other possibilities.
[attachimg=1]
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I think a merging of the two threads as you suggest is a very
good idea Left Field. I can see the original distinction of the
two but now I think they have become somewhat merged in many
posters' minds so perhaps best to merge them officially.
As to your latest photo. The empty seats may indeed betoken a
friendly and so bearing in mind the location, perhaps a local
referee Vic Callow
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 25, 2018, 4:46 am
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[quote author=Left Field link=topic=9.msg1222#msg1222
date=1537809533]
I started these two different (to my mind) threads back on the
old board some time ago. "Who was the referee?" was intended to
be where someone didn't know or wasn't sure who refereed a game
and could ask for answers or suggestions. "Name the referee
quiz" was, as the name suggests, where a member knew the
identity of a pictured or profiled referee and was setting a
poser. However maybe that distinction is not always obvious and
I sometimes have to give some thought to which thread to use. I
wouldn't have a problem with the threads being merged, perhaps
with a title such as "Who was the referee?" and then they could
either ask for information or set a quiz question as they wish.
This entry is of the asking for answers / suggestions although I
have an idea (no stronger than that) who the pictured referee
might be. The picture below is from before a West Brom game in
1987. I don't know the opposition and the lack of attendance
suggests it might be a friendly. The referee seems to be the
tall, partly obscured figure at the back right - he looks a
little like Ron Bridges but there may be other possibilities.
[attachimg=1]
[/quote]
If this is a friendly and the ref is the tall guy, then Terry
Holbrook might be a possibility rather than Vic Callow who was
less vertically inclined. But I'm not convinced that the hair
style is Terry's. I note however that WBA were in dire trouble
in Div 2 in 1986/7, with attendances reflecting this, and WBA v
Barnsley on 2nd May 1987 had an attendance of 6300, just 200
more than at the Alex on Saturday. Could it be a League match
with a sparse crowd and Barnsley in red? No idea on the ref but
it would rule out Terry from Walsall and rule in Ron Bridges as
a possibility.
Edit - this programme was produced uniquely for the WBA v
Sunderland League game on 4/4/87 and is therefore definitely not
Barnsley in red which was played a month later. In consequence,
I think this has to be a League match, played in front of a
sparse crowd, rather than a friendly but I do not know who the
opponents could be.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Left Field Date: September 25, 2018, 12:03 pm
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I would previously have put this "challenge" in the "Name the
referee quiz" thread but I think for now it's best to put all
these refereeing conundrums - quizzes or otherwise - in the same
thread. Maybe just a change to the title of this thread to "Who
was the referee? Quizzes and queries" might be an option instead
of a formal merge.
On to the profile for others to uncover. It's from exactly fifty
years ago - September 1968 - and the referee in question had a
rather curious career of which more I'll say when he is
identified. As a clue his surname sounds and reads very similar
(though not identical) to a recent referee from Yorkshire:
[attachimg=1]
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 25, 2018, 2:42 pm
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'A' B-ing the C-lue no D-oubt, not 'E'? :D
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: JCFC Date: September 25, 2018, 2:51 pm
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You get a decent Mark for that AT.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 26, 2018, 2:51 am
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[quote author=JCFC link=topic=9.msg1253#msg1253 date=1537905071]
You get a decent Mark for that AT.
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Yes, at least I wasn't Wayward as I so often am! ;D
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 26, 2018, 9:12 am
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One of our 'One Season Wonders' ?
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Left Field Date: September 26, 2018, 12:09 pm
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As has been worked out the latest mystery official is PW Hayward
of Bournemouth who only served one season on the Referees List
(1968-1969). However that only tells a small amount of the
story. That match profile is the only evidence I've come across
of him refereeing a match (Colchester v Stockport) and it's
possible he didn't actually take charge of the game as Gordon
Hill is also credited as the official. It's therefore possible
that he either refereed no games or just a very small number.
Normally that would be the end of a referee's Football League
career but Mr. Hayward then reappeared on the Football League
linesmen's list in 1969, completing two seasons before finally
stepping down in 1971. Until the early 1990s only three referees
in the post-war era went back to the line. Quite what happened
is a mystery - maybe he had an injury which prevented him
refereeing, or he asked to go back on the line?
In the eighties and nineties a PW (Peter?) Hayward was a member
of the AFC Bournemouth board - being vice-chairman at one stage.
It's possibly a coincidence and they are two people with the
same surname and initials from the same town but it may be the
man on the Bournemouth board and the referee are the same
person. Perhaps bmb with her Bournemouth connections might be
able to find out the answer.
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