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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 20, 2018, 4:08 am
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=9.msg1078#msg1078
date=1537434125]
I would put Mrs AT's housekeeping money on Colin Downey of
Hounslow ;D
[/quote]
Yes of course it is. Mrs A T's account at Fortnum and Mason is
happily secure for now :P
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 20, 2018, 4:30 am
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Phew, thank goodness for that! Mrs AT was out at the time, and
the thought that I was going to have to tell her that she could
no longer shop at Poundland was already giving me palpitations!
The fresh-faced features suggested Colin and I'm glad I was
right, thanks Whistleblower
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: nemesis Date: September 21, 2018, 8:54 am
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Indeed. The same Colin Downey who, from the line, awarded Man
Utd a questionable penalty against Brighton in the Cup Final
(replay) just a year earlier. Some things never change.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 21, 2018, 10:24 am
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[quote author=nemesis link=topic=9.msg1095#msg1095
date=1537538075]
Indeed. The same Colin Downey who, from the line, awarded Man
Utd a questionable penalty against Brighton in the Cup Final
(replay) just a year earlier. Some things never change.
[/quote]
Questionable indeed m'learned friend but not, as I remember,
conclusively wrong. It was a match I attended, one of only two
occasions when I have been live at an FA Cup Final.
And while we communicate. I haven't yet managed to get to
Portman Road this season. Is it really a case of " abandon hope
all ye who enter here " or is there any, even the faintest,
cause to believe the position might yet improve ?
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: nemesis Date: September 23, 2018, 5:18 am
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[quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=9.msg1097#msg1097
date=1537543485]
[quote author=nemesis link=topic=9.msg1095#msg1095
date=1537538075]
Indeed. The same Colin Downey who, from the line, awarded Man
Utd a questionable penalty against Brighton in the Cup Final
(replay) just a year earlier. Some things never change.
[/quote]
Questionable indeed m'learned friend but not, as I remember,
conclusively wrong. It was a match I attended, one of only two
occasions when I have been live at an FA Cup Final.
And while we communicate. I haven't yet managed to get to
Portman Road this season. Is it really a case of " abandon hope
all ye who enter here " or is there any, even the faintest,
cause to believe the position might yet improve ?
[/quote]
Apologies for a late response but I was waiting until after
yesterday's game not wanting to give a hostage to fortune. If
replying earlier, I might have said "unbeaten at home and all
four games have been reasonably entertaining, at least in part."
Yesterday was very disappointing and concern is growing. The
players bought in are not as good as the players let go. The
loanees brought in are (Pennington excepted) nowhere near as
good as last year's loanees and the manager seems to have a
bewildering preference for Gerken over the last three seasons'
player of the year. So rather worrying. - a League One manager
has brought in lots of League One players who look short of the
quality needed to survive, let alone prosper, in the
Championship. Perhaps they are planning for next year.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 23, 2018, 11:41 am
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Thank you m'learned friend. Your analysis is rather what I
expected and your last sentence is chilling and I fear somewhat
prophetic.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 24, 2018, 3:27 am
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Stott and Hayward in particular must have felt aggrieved since
they came from areas which produced top FL refs (Tinkler and
Nippard) at about the same time.
Not one on your list, but mutn3's very good book on Old
Nottinghamshire FL Referees mentions J (Jimmy) R Dunbar from
Stapleford, a supplementary ref for two seasons from 1951 to
1953:-
"Everything seemed to be going well. In his second season on the
Supplementary List, he was appointed to referee Arsenal v
Blackpool in the FA Cup Quarter Final at Highbury, with over
69,000 spectators. Jimmy believed an assistant wasn't having the
best of games, and when that assistant beckoned him over Jimmy
feared the worse. Joe Mercer, the former England wartime
captain, and now coming to the end of his career, had sworn at
the assistant.
Jimmy decided, wisely or otherwise, just to issue a booking and
felt that he had managed a tricky situation well. The end of the
season came and Jimmy was shocked to be removed from the list,
the only game he could think of that had jeopardised his role
was the altercation with Mercer!"
Another short term ref who dropped off the list after refereeing
a top game (as happened in those days) was J W J Clarke from
Studley in Warwickshire. He refereed Man Utd v Sunderland in May
1968 at the end of his 2nd season on the list when Man Utd could
have won the League title if they had won and Man City had lost
at Newcastle. United lost and City won and Mr Clarke came off
the list immediately after the game. The suggestion (a while
back on ISOR) was that the Man Utd Chairman influenced the
decision to have Clarke removed from the list but I don't think
this can be confirmed.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 24, 2018, 3:30 am
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=9.msg1176#msg1176
date=1537777663]
Stott and Hayward in particular must have felt aggrieved since
they came from areas which produced top FL refs (Tinkler and
Nippard) at about the same time.
Not one on your list, but mutn3's very good book on Old
Nottinghamshire FL Referees mentions J (Jimmy) R Dunbar from
Stapleford, a supplementary ref for two seasons from 1951 to
1953:-
"Everything seemed to be going well. In his second season on the
Supplementary List, he was appointed to referee Arsenal v
Blackpool in the FA Cup Quarter Final at Highbury, with over
69,000 spectators. Jimmy believed an assistant wasn't having the
best of games, and when that assistant beckoned him over Jimmy
feared the worse. Joe Mercer, the former England wartime
captain, and now coming to the end of his career, had sworn at
the assistant.
Jimmy decided, wisely or otherwise, just to issue a booking and
felt that he had managed a tricky situation well. The end of the
season came and Jimmy was shocked to be removed from the list,
the only game he could think of that had jeopardised his role
was the altercation with Mercer!"
Another short term ref who dropped off the list after refereeing
a top game (as happened in those days) was J W J Clarke from
Studley in Warwickshire. He refereed Man Utd v Sunderland in May
1968 at the end of his 2nd season on the list when Man Utd could
have won the League title if they had won and Man City had lost
at Newcastle. United lost and City won and Mr Clarke came off
the list immediately after the game. The suggestion (a while
back on ISOR) was that the Man Utd Chairman influenced the
decision to have Clarke removed from the list but I don't think
this can be confirmed.
Edit: sorry Whistleblower but I appear to have deleted our
previous posts re Bone, Ellis, Fieldsend, Stott and
Hayward...... Not sure how I've been able to do this but could
you repost. Or Admin, could you help please. Still trying to get
to grips with the admirable new system. Mea Culpa x 100!
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 24, 2018, 3:38 am
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Don't worry about deleting my post. I' mafraid I have no back-up
for it so can't post again.
It is now incredible to think that someone in their second year
on the Supplementary List should be appointed to a FA Cup
Quarter Final. Clearly Mr Dunbar must have been impressing the
Appointing Powers very much which makes it all the more strange
that he should have been dropped from the List
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
By: Whistleblower Date: September 24, 2018, 3:43 am
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My original post has been re-posted I notice under Name the
referee thread.
Am I alone in finding it confusing have two threads running 'Who
was the referee?' and 'Name the referee'. I wonder if the
threads could be merged?
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