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#Post#: 939--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: TVOS
Date: September 16, 2018, 1:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> [quote author=Left Field link=topic=9.msg891#msg891
date=1536946395]
> A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the
teams but who are the opponents and the referee?
>
> [attachimg=1]
>
> The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game
might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin
attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester
(similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit
either team.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front
of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup
tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I
think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the
start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might
explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West
Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit
the profile but no idea who.
[/quote]
It's 100% not Shrewsbury. I think it's definitely Colchester,
given their home kit in 1980/81 looked like that pictured:
HTML http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Colchester_United/Colchester_United.htm
And also, the ground pictured isn't Gay Meadow!
In those days, programme covers were printed in bulk and that
same cover was also used for the Norwich v Stoke game on the
opening day of the 1980/81 season (look it up on Ebay).
More likely, the image is from a pre-season friendly between
Norwich and Colchester, which means the referee is likely to
have been fairly local to Norfolk/East Anglia.
I've asked my Norwich mate whether Carrow Road had red seats at
the time.
EDIT: Just had confirmation that the South Stand at Carrow Road
once had red seats, so that's where it is.
#Post#: 951--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: nemesis
Date: September 16, 2018, 3:55 pm
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
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> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=9.msg933#msg933
date=1537106299]
> [quote author=Left Field link=topic=9.msg891#msg891
date=1536946395]
> A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the
teams but who are the opponents and the referee?
>
> [attachimg=1]
>
> The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game
might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin
attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester
(similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit
either team.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front
of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup
tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I
think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the
start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might
explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West
Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit
the profile but no idea who.
[/quote]
It's 100% not Shrewsbury. I think it's definitely Colchester,
given their home kit in 1980/81 looked like that pictured:
HTML http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Colchester_United/Colchester_United.htm
And also, the ground pictured isn't Gay Meadow!
In those days, programme covers were printed in bulk and that
same cover was also used for the Norwich v Stoke game on the
opening day of the 1980/81 season (look it up on Ebay).
More likely, the image is from a pre-season friendly between
Norwich and Colchester, which means the referee is likely to
have been fairly local to Norfolk/East Anglia.
I've asked my Norwich mate whether Carrow Road had red seats at
the time.
EDIT: Just had confirmation that the South Stand at Carrow Road
once had red seats, so that's where it is.
[/quote]
Yep, and I'll guess at Steve Wignall, a subsequent very poor
manager at Southend, for the player.
#Post#: 952--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: September 16, 2018, 3:55 pm
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Thank you, ah well it was worth a try anyway :D
It is not Ray Biggar but could it be Ian Borrett from Diss who
became a FL ref two seasons later?
#Post#: 955--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: TVOS
Date: September 16, 2018, 4:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> Thank you, ah well it was worth a try anyway :D
>
> It is not Ray Biggar but could it be Ian Borrett from Diss who
became a FL ref two seasons later?
>
--- End Quote ---
It doesn't look like him. My Norwich mate is doing some digging.
#Post#: 965--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: September 17, 2018, 2:47 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> Thank you, ah well it was worth a try anyway :D
>
> It is not Ray Biggar but could it be Ian Borrett from Diss who
became a FL ref two seasons later?
>
--- End Quote ---
It isn't Jimmy Borrett I am pretty certain unless he had
suddenly put on a vast amount of weight ( or the camera angle
gives the lie to his true proportions )
#Post#: 971--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: Left Field
Date: September 17, 2018, 4:04 am
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Thanks for the answers so far. Even if the referee remains a
mystery the home ground and the opponents seems clearer. I find
it odd that Norwich would have had red seats in their stand when
clubs would usually colour-coordinate with their playing colours
but maybe that's a more recent innovation. If the opponents were
Colchester it would seem odd for them to be playing at Norwich
if it's a friendly but perhaps it was some sort of pre-season
Cup competition, maybe for East Anglian clubs?
Finally maybe it's just my impression but it seems that everyone
except the referee seems to be disgruntled / disillusioned or
simply confused. "What are we doing here?" seems to be the
message. Perhaps not a match to fire the enthusiasm?
#Post#: 1023--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: September 18, 2018, 5:20 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=9.msg939#msg939 date=1537120813]
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=9.msg933#msg933
date=1537106299]
> [quote author=Left Field link=topic=9.msg891#msg891
date=1536946395]
> A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the
teams but who are the opponents and the referee?
>
> [attachimg=1]
>
> The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game
might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin
attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester
(similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit
either team.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front
of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup
tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I
think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the
start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might
explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West
Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit
the profile but no idea who.
[/quote]
It's 100% not Shrewsbury. I think it's definitely Colchester,
given their home kit in 1980/81 looked like that pictured:
HTML http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Colchester_United/Colchester_United.htm
And also, the ground pictured isn't Gay Meadow!
In those days, programme covers were printed in bulk and that
same cover was also used for the Norwich v Stoke game on the
opening day of the 1980/81 season (look it up on Ebay).
More likely, the image is from a pre-season friendly between
Norwich and Colchester, which means the referee is likely to
have been fairly local to Norfolk/East Anglia.
I've asked my Norwich mate whether Carrow Road had red seats at
the time.
EDIT: Just had confirmation that the South Stand at Carrow Road
once had red seats, so that's where it is.
[/quote]
Yep, and I'll guess at Steve Wignall, a subsequent very poor
manager at Southend, for the player.
[/quote]
He was a poor manager at Doncaster as well!
#Post#: 1071--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: Left Field
Date: September 19, 2018, 12:25 pm
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Here is a new picture from a Brighton game in 1984 - opponents
unknown. The referee might be Les Burden of Dorset but I'm not
wholly convinced:
[attachimg=1]
#Post#: 1073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: September 19, 2018, 2:19 pm
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Could be. Hard to think who else it might be. Gilbert Napthine
perhaps but I'm far from convinced about that.
#Post#: 1078--------------------------------------------------
Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: September 20, 2018, 4:02 am
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I would put Mrs AT's housekeeping money on Colin Downey of
Hounslow ;D
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