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Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 28, 2019, 4:00 pm
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'before' seems to be the key word to me. It reads like a player
can't challenge for/touch the ball before it is kicked but can
do so after - although the situation of a player touching the
ball before it is in play must be very rare. From what has been
said, it sounds like it would have to basically involve the ball
being kicked by the taker but not clearly moving before it
touches the attacking player?!
#Post#: 9421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: July 29, 2019, 1:17 am
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Apart from perhaps a Zaire player against Brazil in the World
Cup many years ago I cannot recall any other instance of a
player challenging for the ball before it was in play. Why
didn’t they just say that no attacking player may touch the ball
until it leaves the penalty area and if they do (even by being
struck by accident, like the amendment to handball disallowing
any goal scored off the hand/arm) it’s a retake.
Football’s a simple game but people make it complicated.
#Post#: 9423--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: July 29, 2019, 3:18 am
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--- Quote from: Scally Bob link ---
>
> Apart from perhaps a Zaire player against Brazil in the World
Cup many years ago I cannot recall any other instance of a
player challenging for the ball before it was in play. Why
didn’t they just say that no attacking player may touch the ball
until it leaves the penalty area and if they do (even by being
struck by accident, like the amendment to handball disallowing
any goal scored off the hand/arm) it’s a retake.
>
> Football’s a simple game but people make it complicated.
>
--- End Quote ---
Except, in this case, it is the Lawmakers who have made it
complicated!
The way that the Law is written is exactly as it has been
interpreted by Readingfan.
As far as I am concerned, there was no need whatsoever to change
the Law in the first place and they have caused confusion by
doing so ---as can be seen by the debate on here.
Football used to be a simple game!
#Post#: 9424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: guest18
Date: July 29, 2019, 3:52 am
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Ashington46 summed up the whole debate in nine words. “There was
no need whatsoever to change the Law”
#Post#: 9425--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 29, 2019, 4:16 am
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--- Quote from: doowe link ---
>
> Ashington46 summed up the whole debate in nine words. “There
was no need whatsoever to change the Law”
>
--- End Quote ---
It perhaps wasn't absolutely necessary but equally I think the
previous law where the ball had to leave the penalty area wasn't
really necessary, and either made it more difficult for teams
who wanted to play possession football to restart or could be
used as a deliberate time-wasting tactic by a defender
deliberately playing the ball before it had left the area and
forcing a retake.
I think the change is a reasonable one and the fact some teams,
certainly at the top level, are playing the ball short to a
defender in the box suggests that they are making use of it.
The only key point is to provide clarity on what happens if an
attacking player plays it. Personally I think it would be wrong
to say that an attacking player starting outside the area isn't
allowed to touch/challenge for the ball until it has left the
penalty area because you need to give them some chance of
closing the defence down once the kick is taken.
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Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: July 29, 2019, 6:20 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=doowe link=topic=896.msg9424#msg9424
date=1564390323]
> Ashington46 summed up the whole debate in nine words. “There
was no need whatsoever to change the Law”
>
--- End Quote ---
It perhaps wasn't absolutely necessary but equally I think the
previous law where the ball had to leave the penalty area wasn't
really necessary, and either made it more difficult for teams
who wanted to play possession football to restart or could be
used as a deliberate time-wasting tactic by a defender
deliberately playing the ball before it had left the area and
forcing a retake.
I think the change is a reasonable one and the fact some teams,
certainly at the top level, are playing the ball short to a
defender in the box suggests that they are making use of it.
The only key point is to provide clarity on what happens if an
attacking player plays it. Personally I think it would be wrong
to say that an attacking player starting outside the area isn't
allowed to touch/challenge for the ball until it has left the
penalty area because you need to give them some chance of
closing the defence down once the kick is taken.
[/quote]
Readingfan ---your last paragraph should not be necessary
because the interpretation should have been made clear right
from the start. It has not been made clear and this will lead to
problems at all levels of the game.
Many of us have refereed for many years and yet we are totally
at odds with each other about the interpretation.
Why should an attacker not be in the penalty area under the new
direction? They are saying that the ball is in play when it is
kicked, therefore, why can the attacker not be the statutory 10
yards away, therefore, inside the box.
Players take free kicks when opponents are less than 10 yards
away, although the ball is usually played backwards in the
majority of cases, so why not be consistent and say that if they
choose to do that with a goal kick then play continues?
Conversely, how many times does a player want to take a quick
free kick when attacking and yet they are stopped by the referee
who insists on pacing out the mandatory 10 yards and making
everyone wait for the whistle?
There is no consistency and it is not being helped by a lack of
direction from the top!
#Post#: 9436--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Maltese Falcon
Date: July 29, 2019, 8:21 am
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As one of those who was at the Conference mentioned in the
original post, I can confirm that the answer expected from those
in attendance from the FA was that the goal should stand. The
reasoning given was that (as mentioned by a couple of posters
above) the intent is to follow the same process as that for
'quick' free kicks. If the kicking team choose to take the
restart before the non kicking team have had a chance to retreat
(either 10 yards or, in this case, outside the penalty area)
then all bets are off and the non kicking team are free to play
the ball as soon as it is in play (ie kicked).
#Post#: 9438--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: nemesis
Date: July 29, 2019, 8:41 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=896.msg9421#msg9421
date=1564381058]
> Apart from perhaps a Zaire player against Brazil in the World
Cup many years ago I cannot recall any other instance of a
player challenging for the ball before it was in play. Why
didn’t they just say that no attacking player may touch the ball
until it leaves the penalty area and if they do (even by being
struck by accident, like the amendment to handball disallowing
any goal scored off the hand/arm) it’s a retake.
>
> Football’s a simple game but people make it complicated.
>
--- End Quote ---
Except, in this case, it is the Lawmakers who have made it
complicated!
The way that the Law is written is exactly as it has been
interpreted by Readingfan.
As far as I am concerned, there was no need whatsoever to change
the Law in the first place and they have caused confusion by
doing so ---as can be seen by the debate on here.
Football used to be a simple game!
[/quote]
Indeed, which takes us back to my original assertion at the
beginning of this thread that those who purport to run our game
are idiots or incompetent, or both.
#Post#: 9441--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: July 29, 2019, 9:26 am
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It's as if they don't consult those who have to put the
revisions into practice on the field of play!
#Post#: 9453--------------------------------------------------
Re: Law 16: The Goal Kick
DIR By: Beancounter
Date: July 29, 2019, 12:00 pm
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And just to confuse things further!
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