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Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: Acme Thunderer Date: July 15, 2019, 3:07 am
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May I congratulate Kumar and Marais on their contribution to a
wonderful day's cricket at Lord's yesterday. I was one of those
who questioned the appointments to the World Cup Final,
particularly Kumar, and I am happy to say that I was wrong. One
or two decisions (I think it was) overturned in 600+ balls plus
one non-reviewable error by Erasmus says a lot for their
abilities and concentration over 8-9 hours, and their calmness
when it came to the Super Over (+ their explanations beforehand
to both sides) helped to keep a lid on a potentially explosive
situation. Not forgetting the well-used Review Umpire and
less-used Reserve, you all deserved your medals after the game.
Well done and thank you!
Edit - sorry, this should perhaps have gone under non-footy
board, must have been the excitement or sore head this morning.
Happy for it to be transferred!
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: Ref Fan Date: July 15, 2019, 3:32 am
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AT, I've posted on the non-footy Appointments thread but perhaps
it should have been under General Discussion!
Perhaps I was slightly harsh on the umpires in criticising the
mistakes and maybe you are a touch generous. However, I do
agree about their calmness, vital in those circumstances, and
the way they handled the 'super over'. Out of interest, what
was the situation regarding short balls/bouncers in the super
over.
Neither bowler resorted to it which was pleasing to see. Would
that be something the umpires explained/advised beforehand?
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: TheThingFromLewes Date: July 15, 2019, 9:53 am
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HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48991962
It appears all umpires made an error in law and NZ should have
won by 1 run.......
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: guest18 Date: July 15, 2019, 11:01 am
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[quote author=TheThingFromLewes link=topic=883.msg9224#msg9224
date=1563202431]
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48991962
It appears all umpires made an error in law and NZ should have
won by 1 run.......
[/quote]
Not necessarily! If they believed the batsmen had crossed, it
was an error of judgement
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: Acme Thunderer Date: July 15, 2019, 2:31 pm
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I was interested in the earlier incident when Boult caught
Stokes on the long on boundary but then inadvertently stepped
onto the boundary rope whilst attempting to release the ball
from his grasp. His NZ colleague Guptill was quick to signal 6
runs which was accepted, apparently without question, and a
photo in today's Times seems to confirm that Boult still had the
ball in his hand when his foot snagged the boundary. However if
he had got rid of the ball a fraction of a second earlier, only
the runs (? 2) which the batsmen had taken would have been
awarded, with Stokes remaining at the crease either way, and the
course of cricketing history would almost certainly have been
altered for ever. Such were the margins of success and failure
yesterday at Lord's.
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: Ashington46 Date: July 15, 2019, 3:48 pm
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=883.msg9227#msg9227
date=1563219117]
I was interested in the earlier incident when Boult caught
Stokes on the long on boundary but then inadvertently stepped
onto the boundary rope whilst attempting to release the ball
from his grasp. His NZ colleague Guptill was quick to signal 6
runs which was accepted, apparently without question, and a
photo in today's Times seems to confirm that Boult still had the
ball in his hand when his foot snagged the boundary. However if
he had got rid of the ball a fraction of a second earlier, only
the runs (? 2) which the batsmen had taken would have been
awarded, with Stokes remaining at the crease either way, and the
course of cricketing history would almost certainly have been
altered for ever. Such were the margins of success and failure
yesterday at Lord's.
[/quote]
Not so. If Boult had released the ball a fraction earlier and
thrown it to Guptill, as he did, then Stokes would have been out
and the two runs would not have counted anyway.
The margin was really as close as that. Interesting that,
without TV, none of us would have known when Guptill released
the ball in teh overthrow incident. Obviously, there was quite a
delay after that so the umpires must have been discussing it,
however, if they were not 100% sure then they could do nothing
about it. Whether the TV officials should have intervened is
debatable because none of the players seemed to be aware of any
problem and accepted the decisions of the onfield officials
which is the way it always should be whether they be right or
wrong!
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: Acme Thunderer Date: July 16, 2019, 5:06 am
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Thanks Ashington46. I had not realised that Guptill caught the
ball when Boult released it from his grasp. Such were the
margins in an extraordinary match!
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Re: Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
By: Failed Ref Date: July 16, 2019, 10:25 am
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If I may make a comment, if a football referee made such a
mistake there would be ructions, rants and sensational comments.
Cricket generally accepts that the officials are human and can
make mistakes. Football dismays me in so many ways. New Zealand
have come out of this with enormous credit and represent what is
claimed to be indefinable - the spirit of the game.
I used to umpire a few cricket games and found it impossible to
know if batsmen crossed. Could the umpires have referred to
third umpire for clarification or was it a case of give what
they saw and do not assume or guess!
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