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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: Ivanhoe
Date: August 30, 2026, 3:14 pm
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We're his hands in a natural position ? Surely it's just
handball and a free kick ?
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: bmb
Date: August 30, 2026, 4:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
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> Question. Given the rain at the end of the game accompanied by
lightning, what are the rules about playing when there is
lightning?
>
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In the event of a thunderstorm they're advised to use the 30
second countdown to determine the approx distance away of the
storm (Lighting appears almost simultaneously, while thunder
travels at 1 km per 3 seconds. So, a three-second delay between
lightning and thunder means that the storm is about 1 km away; a
six-second delay means that the storm is about 2 km away. Count
the seconds between seeing lightning and hearing thunder - if it
is less than 30 seconds, there is a threat.).
They are then instructed to take all of the players, team ref,
everyone milling about in the tech area etc into the dressing
rooms for safety. Once the storm has passed there is a further
delay of 30 mins before the game kicks back off due to the
possibility of electrical charge build up remaining in the
clouds.
I asked about this yesterday as we were under a yellow threat
for thunderstorms and the predictions were for them around 3pm,
we got buckets load of rain (my trainers have almost dried out
now...) but we never did get any thunderstorm!
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: August 31, 2026, 2:38 am
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Thank you BMB for your detailed answer. With global warming we
will probably have thunderstorms on Boxing Day!
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: TA_Ref
Date: August 31, 2026, 6:21 am
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--- Quote from: Ivanhoe link ---
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> We're his hands in a natural position ? Surely it's just
handball and a free kick ?
>
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This seemed to be the main debate on Match of the Day last night
with both pundits, Ellen White and Shay Givem, believing it to
be more of a deliberate handball than accidental.
I’m not certain it can be 100% described as a deliberate
handball so I don’t have much issue with it.
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: ajb95
Date: August 31, 2026, 8:07 am
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For me it’s a clear handball and should have been penalised. A
clear mistake by VAR. As soon as they say it’s accidental, goal
is the only outcome
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: El Referee
Date: August 31, 2026, 8:56 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> For me it’s a clear handball and should have been penalised. A
clear mistake by VAR. As soon as they say it’s accidental, goal
is the only outcome
>
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But something being a clear handball is not an offence. It can
be as clear as day that there’s a handball, but handball in
itself is not an offence……..
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: elbee94
Date: August 31, 2026, 9:48 am
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I didn’t see much of this after half time but one minor note -
for a referee that looks so relaxed and languid as Craig Pawson,
he sprinted straight over when O’Shea fell down the step near
the advertisement boards. No damage done but really liked that
he was there in an instant to see that there was no major
injury.
Happy to hear on the Sky comms that Manchester United are
looking to fix that, it’s definitely a danger.
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: ajb95
Date: August 31, 2026, 10:53 am
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--- Quote from: El Referee link ---
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> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=8352.msg111011#msg111011
date=1788181646]
> For me it’s a clear handball and should have been penalised. A
clear mistake by VAR. As soon as they say it’s accidental, goal
is the only outcome
>
--- End Quote ---
But something being a clear handball is not an offence. It can
be as clear as day that there’s a handball, but handball in
itself is not an offence……..
[/quote]
Please tell me you are not saying that deliberate handball is
not punishable with a direct free kick ?
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: El Referee
Date: August 31, 2026, 12:41 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=El Referee link=topic=8352.msg111016#msg111016
date=1788184596]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=8352.msg111011#msg111011
date=1788181646]
> For me it’s a clear handball and should have been penalised. A
clear mistake by VAR. As soon as they say it’s accidental, goal
is the only outcome
>
--- End Quote ---
But something being a clear handball is not an offence. It can
be as clear as day that there’s a handball, but handball in
itself is not an offence……..
[/quote]
Please tell me you are not saying that deliberate handball is
not punishable with a direct free kick ?
[/quote]
Your original comment didn’t say deliberate……
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Re: Craig Pawson - Man Utd v Ipswich
DIR By: Leggy
Date: August 31, 2026, 12:43 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=El Referee link=topic=8352.msg111016#msg111016
date=1788184596]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=8352.msg111011#msg111011
date=1788181646]
> For me it’s a clear handball and should have been penalised. A
clear mistake by VAR. As soon as they say it’s accidental, goal
is the only outcome
>
--- End Quote ---
But something being a clear handball is not an offence. It can
be as clear as day that there’s a handball, but handball in
itself is not an offence……..
[/quote]
Please tell me you are not saying that deliberate handball is
not punishable with a direct free kick ?
[/quote]
I do not think that is what is being said.
Just as being in an offside position is not - of itself - an
offence; making contact with the ball with one's hand or arm is
equally not an offence. From the images its clear that Maguire
makes contact with the ball with his hand(s)/arm(s). The debate
is over whether or not he has committed an offence.
As the Law is written (and goodness knows its far too
complicated these days) the "offence" part is a matter of
opinion, not fact. The onfield referee's opinion was that it
was not an offence. VAR may have had a different opinion, but -
as we know - its not their role to re-referee according to their
opinion but to help the referee out when they have dropped a
clear clanger. In this case, the VAR concluded that the onfield
referee has not dropped a clear clanger so stayed out of it.
PS: Much as I dislike VAR, I am reaching the conclusion that
for matters of fact it should always intervene when the wrong
decision has been made. For matters of opinion, it should only
intervene after asking the referee the following question: "Did
you clearly see the incident?". If the answer is yes, then stay
out. If the answer is now, then - should the need arise - the
VAR can invited the referee to view something that they would
like to have seen first time and make a decision accordingly.
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