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Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: July 12, 2026, 1:27 am
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Breel Embolo (SUI) - the first dismissal for two cautions in the
same match in this tournament?
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Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: July 12, 2026, 1:28 am
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Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: lincs22
Date: July 12, 2026, 2:04 am
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Breel Embolo (SUI) - the first dismissal for two cautions in
the same match in this tournament?
>
--- End Quote ---
Just seen highlights. First caution a clear reckless challenge
and the second, the most obvious simulation when watched back.
Did the player think he would get away with that, with all the
VAR officials. Must be brain bread...
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Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: Leggy
Date: July 12, 2026, 4:45 am
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So this is widely being quoted as VAR being used under the
"mistaken identity" rule. It is nothing of the sort. As
someone whose career went backwards as a result of mistakenly
identifying the player comitting an act of violent conduct, I
now know what that is.
This is a case if "mistaken offence". The Argentinian player
was penalised for a reckless challenge with a yellow card. The
Swiss player did not commit that offence.
Having said that, morally (if not legally) I was delighted when
the clear act of blatent simulation was punished as it should
have been. What this has done is provided proof of concept that
VAR (or post-match video analysis) is 100% capable of
eradicating simulation and over exaggeration which is frequently
deployed by players to get their opponents into disciplinary
trouble (One of the worst examples of this came when an
Argentinian player faked a serious facial injury in the 3rd
minute with the aim of getting a Cape Verde opponent dismissed -
for heaven's sake!).
Video evidence now needs to be more widely introduced to provide
in-game and post-game sanctions to all the feigners and fakers
who believe that the way to win a football match is to cheat in
order to get one of their fellow professional players a yellow
or red card. Everyone hates it when it is done to them but they
still do it.
As Churchill used to say: "Action this day, please!".
#Post#: 108948--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: mac
Date: July 12, 2026, 5:11 am
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Good but not perfect. Felt there was a missed yellow just after
half time by Tagliofico on the wing, which maybe, just maybe,
meant the next time a similar offence occurred he goes in with
the yellow for Paredes. But this is a clear simulation, so can’t
the AR or 4th help him before getting this far with the angles
they had? If one of them says no foul on comms, no foul it is.
If one of them recognises it’s definitely not reckless and no
card is given, it probably goes no further than a free kick to
Switzerland with no caution.
It’s absolutely right that Paredes loses the yellow, because if
he gets a second and his first is wrong there is no overturn.
See where I’m going?! How can we only review second yellows?!
It is the right decision but I have real doubts about how
consistently it can be applied and the ramifications the
inconsistency will have.
Aside from that thought his recognition was good but let
Argentina take the mick with restarts before the equaliser.
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Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: July 12, 2026, 5:54 am
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Yes, the easy fix is to leave the ‘mistaken identity’ (literally
card going to wrong player), as it’s understandably causing
confusion. Just say VAR can come in on ‘simulation’. Like with
other things, set parameters and make clear it’s not for every
possible example, just for:
- KMI such as a penalty (or attacking FK on edge of box?)
- incident which leads to any clearly incorrect card for an
opponent
- any faking violent conduct to deliberately try to get an
opponent sent off (eg. throwing yourself down clutching your
face when no contact at all was made)
Like wrong corners, review has to be quick and correct a clear,
meaningful error (not subjective). If the referee sees it fully
and waves it away with no card, that’s up to him/her.
Real football fans can’t abide this kind of clear cheating and
will be happy to see VAR help deal with it.
I will be happy, if I see it applied consistently. Nice and
easy, and goes down well, when a Paraguayan or Swiss get stung
with it, but let’s see if Messi, Ronaldo or other big hitters
are collared …
Also home England
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Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: July 12, 2026, 6:46 am
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Yet again, the beaten team complain about Argentina getting all
the decisions, the referee was biased etc. So tedious but it
comes from the top imho. FIFA is a discredited organisation and
that stain spreads everywhere.
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Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: AFAref
Date: July 12, 2026, 7:43 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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>
> This is a case if "mistaken offence". The Argentinian player
was penalised for a reckless challenge with a yellow card. The
Swiss player did not commit that offence.
>
> Having said that, morally (if not legally) I was delighted
when the clear act of blatent simulation was punished as it
should have been. What this has done is provided proof of
concept that VAR (or post-match video analysis) is 100% capable
of eradicating simulation and over exaggeration which is
frequently deployed by players to get their opponents into
disciplinary trouble
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree totally, however, had the Argentine player not been
cautioned then the Swiss player would have stayed on. That is
wherein the problem lies and VAR should be able to advise the
referee whether a caution has taken place or not.
If that were to happen in the first couple of weeks of top
league football, we would see eradicated for good
#Post#: 108993--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jose Pinheiro (POR) - ARG v SUI
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: July 12, 2026, 3:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Arbitre anglais link ---
>
> Yes, the easy fix is to leave the ‘mistaken identity’
(literally card going to wrong player), as it’s understandably
causing confusion. Just say VAR can come in on ‘simulation’.
Like with other things, set parameters and make clear it’s not
for every possible example, just for:
>
> - KMI such as a penalty (or attacking FK on edge of box?)
> - incident which leads to any clearly incorrect card for an
opponent
> - any faking violent conduct to deliberately try to get an
opponent sent off (eg. throwing yourself down clutching your
face when no contact at all was made)
>
> Like wrong corners, review has to be quick and correct a
clear, meaningful error (not subjective). If the referee sees it
fully and waves it away with no card, that’s up to him/her.
>
> Real football fans can’t abide this kind of clear cheating and
will be happy to see VAR help deal with it.
>
> I will be happy, if I see it applied consistently. Nice and
easy, and goes down well, when a Paraguayan or Swiss get stung
with it, but let’s see if Messi, Ronaldo or other big hitters
are collared …
>
> Also home England
>
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In isolation Enbolo's two cards seem totally justified, however
I have a couple of questions:
1) How many yellow cards for simulation have been issued in
this year's World Cup finals?
I can't recall seeing any although I've seen quite few
examples where I thought there should have been Yellow cards.
The second question I know is hypothetical and is not really
answerable but for competitions to be credible then the majority
opinion needs to be yes.
2) If Messi had done exactly as Embolo would the outcomes have
been the same?
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