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Re: Mike Riley - 82% of key match incidents in Premier League
correct this season
DIR By: Stroudie
Date: May 18, 2019, 11:51 pm
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It reminds me of the statement during the WC which said bookings
had been reduced due to use of VAR
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Re: Mike Riley - 82% of key match incidents in Premier League
correct this season
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: May 19, 2019, 2:51 am
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> [quote author=bmb link=topic=802.msg7986#msg7986
date=1557854208]
> [quote author=mac link=topic=802.msg7985#msg7985
date=1557853453]
> You can prove anything with stats and use them for any reason.
If you need to use one to justify rolling out expensive new
technology, then this is probably the time to do it. Otherwise
if it was up at 98%, there's less reason to spend all that cash.
>
> All being said....we are currently dealing with humans and we
would rightly be lauding any player with an 82% goals to shots
ratio, so let's be realistic.
>
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I don't disagree with that. For me my disappointment comes from
constantly being led to believe it was 98% by the powers that be
but now suddenly it has dropped to 82%, which suggests a drop of
16%. That's a huge drop. Personally I don't think our referees
are 16% worse than before but this is how he has now made it
look.
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Have to fully disagree, I'm afraid. We are talking about Key
Match Incidents (i.e. incidents that affect the outcome of a
game). It cannot be acceptable that 1 in 5 are called
incorrectly by match officials.
I fully hear, and understand, all of the arguments around
players also making many mistakes, but that isn't the point...
when a player makes a mistake, it costs themselves/their own
team, when an official makes a mistake it costs someone else, so
those decisions have to be above reproach. Particularly when you
look at what is at stake at this level, and indeed how close
things can be. This level of accuracy is nowhere near beyond
reproach - a vast improvement is needed.
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I agree that we should regard refereeing mistakes in a slightly
different way to players (in that it is more important to strive
for maximum accuracy from officials than players) but equally in
a non-VAR world there is obviously a limit to the accuracy level
that officials are able to obtain - they are human and will
always make mistakes, just as people in any profession do.
I guess the question is whether 82% accuracy for key match
incidents is a good figure, a poor figure or somewhere in
between - it's difficult to fully know without equivalent stats
for refereeing in other seasons/leagues. I certainly don't think
that the likes of Michael Oliver and Mike Dean have got 1 in 5
KMI wrong.
#Post#: 8118--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mike Riley - 82% of key match incidents in Premier League
correct this season
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: May 19, 2019, 3:12 am
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But aren't some KMIs subjective judgements anyway.
For example, one referee decides there's not enough contact by a
defender to award a penalty whereas another referee does. Is
one right and one wrong or is neither a mistake?
Likewise with Red/Yellow cards. Was it Martin Atkinson who on 2
occasions downgraded a Red to a Yellow on advice from the VAR?
Was his initial decision counted as an error or was it a
reasonable judgement call from his viewing?
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Re: Mike Riley - 82% of key match incidents in Premier League
correct this season
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: May 19, 2019, 3:30 am
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> But aren't some KMIs subjective judgements anyway.
>
> For example, one referee decides there's not enough contact by
a defender to award a penalty whereas another referee does. Is
one right and one wrong or is neither a mistake?
>
> Likewise with Red/Yellow cards. Was it Martin Atkinson who on
2 occasions downgraded a Red to a Yellow on advice from the VAR?
Was his initial decision counted as an error or was it a
reasonable judgement call from his viewing?
>
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Who knows - I would guess only the ones that are clearly wrong
count as an error (so perhaps some of us might lower the
percentage further based on decisions that are widely believed
to be incorrect that the PGMO can defend/justify.)
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Re: Mike Riley - 82% of key match incidents in Premier League
correct this season
DIR By: rustyref
Date: May 19, 2019, 2:53 pm
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I would guess it is based on the outcome the observation panel
come to. So even if it was a tight decision that could have
gone either way, if the referee said penalty and the panel said
no penalty, or vice versa, that will be an incorrect KMI. I
would like to think that the panel would, on tight calls like
this, back the referee's decision made on the day, but I don't
really know how it works.
Less than one in five KMIs being incorrect doesn't strike me as
that bad, given how difficult refereeing has become with the
pace of the game and the behaviours of players. Perhaps KMI
percentages are better than all decision percentages, and that
82% probably isn't dissimilar to other top leagues without VAR.
Basing it on stats that include obvious throw-ins being right or
wrong doesn't really tell a picture.
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