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Re: I spy old refs
By: Acme Thunderer Date: October 5, 2018, 8:10 am
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Reference the disallowed Spurs goal from a penalty at half time,
this game was one of the last of the 1959/60 season (16/4/60)
and Spurs lost 0-1 to a late City goal. At the end of the
season, Spurs lost the Div 1 title by 2 points when 2 points
were awarded for a win, and Spurs' goal average and difference
were a lot better than the eventual title winners, Burnley. So
in a sense, Mr Pullin's decision to disallow the goal was
crucial in deciding the title destination that season. As you
say, we are unlikely to see a similar situation now on the PL,
with time being added on for stoppages even in added time, and I
can't imagine Mr Pullin was welcomed with open arms at WHL for
the remainder of his FL career. :o
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Re: I spy old refs
By: nemesis Date: October 5, 2018, 3:09 pm
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=8.msg1495#msg1495
date=1538745020]
Reference the disallowed Spurs goal from a penalty at half time,
this game was one of the last of the 1959/60 season (16/4/60)
and Spurs lost 0-1 to a late City goal. At the end of the
season, Spurs lost the Div 1 title by 2 points when 2 points
were awarded for a win, and Spurs' goal average and difference
were a lot better than the eventual title winners, Burnley. So
in a sense, Mr Pullin's decision to disallow the goal was
crucial in deciding the title destination that season. As you
say, we are unlikely to see a similar situation now on the PL,
with time being added on for stoppages even in added time, and I
can't imagine Mr Pullin was welcomed with open arms at WHL for
the remainder of his FL career. :o
[/quote]
All other things being equal, they'd have still lost the title,
but by just one point !
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Acme Thunderer Date: October 6, 2018, 5:32 am
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Thanks nemesis, I had rather assumed that Spurs would hold on to
a half time lead but.....
I wonder whether Mr Pullin ever refereed at Wembley with the FA
Amateur Cup Final, given his years of experience? I recall
seeing a list of FAACF refs under the old ISOR system but cannot
locate it. Might it be possible to copy it across, as with the
FA Cup Final et al? Thanks.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: olddeagle Date: October 6, 2018, 5:45 pm
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Here's the file I complied of all final officials down to 2000,
which includes the Amateur Cup, but Mr Pullin didn't feature.
(John Coyle has now extended this down to the present day).
Pullin always sticks in my memory because I saw him do Arsenal
4, Man Utd 5 at Highbury the week before Munich, the last time
some of those lads played in England. I was only 7 so can't say
I have any great recall of his performance.
Great photos, thanks for posting them. I can't find a programme
on line to identify the linesmen but perhaps some Spurs
supporters out there will have one?
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Acme Thunderer Date: October 9, 2018, 9:48 am
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[quote author=Left Field link=topic=8.msg1482#msg1482
date=1538679427]
The next picture shows him in refereeing kit just before
kick-off:
[attachimg=1]
The final picture is chosen not particularly for refereeing
reasons but because it's a very unusual image - more the angle a
spectator might see than what normally appears in a picture. One
thing I'm puzzled by is why City were wearing a change kit of
yellow shirts and socks when there would have been no colour
clash with Spurs:
[attachimg=2]
This game also featured a rare incident. Tottenham were awarded
a penalty on the stroke of half-time - play can of course be
extended to allow a penalty to be taken. The penalty was saved
but a Tottenham player then put the ball in the net - however
referee Pullin ruled no goal as the half ended when the penalty
was saved. This was certainly a correct decision by the letter
of the law but I suspect nowadays a goal would have been given,
the half not ending until the penalty had been scored or a
rebound had been completely saved or cleared.
[/quote]
I am always interested in film and photos showing aspects of
British society in days of old. I was particularly interested in
this film/stills and decided to do some delving. The result is
that I have made contact with Gilbert's son via the Gloucs FA.
This is what he has said:
"Thanks for the contact I was at the match, what really happened
was Dad gave a penalty to Tottenham with 1 min of the first half
to go. Cliff Jones took some time to place ball this was in the
47min which meant in those days the penalty had to be taken to
end the half. Jones took the penalty, Trautman parried the ball,
Dad blew his whistle, Jones then put the ball into the
net,answer no goal.
Dad was accepted onto the football league as a linesman now
assistant in 1947 being promoted to the middle in 1951 and all
the time never sent a player off, always saying its easy to send
a player off, the hardest job was keeping them on.
Dad joined the GFA after starting his own league in 1962 and was
Chairman up until his death in 1991. I served with him all that
time, then took over from him in 1992 as Chairman/Secretary up
until May 2018 when due to lack of teams we decided to fold, a
very sad day after some 55 years service. I still serve on the
GFA as a FA trained Chairman, Cups Committee and also look after
the 3G pitch which we have to brush twice a week. all as
volunteer.
In 2013 I was awarded a 50 year award.
Hope this gives you some insight."
It does indeed give plenty of insight and I am grateful to
Gilbert's son for his detailed response and to the Gloucs FA for
facilitating the contact so quickly. AT
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Re: I spy old refs
By: olddeagle Date: October 9, 2018, 11:31 am
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Most interesting to hear more about Gilbert Pullin. I found this
photo of the Arsenal v Man Utd match which gives a rather
distant vew of him.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Left Field Date: October 9, 2018, 12:14 pm
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Thank you AT for finding out those details about Gilbert Pullin
and to olddeagle for the picture which suggests Mr. Pullin was
an early exponent of the "inch of black sock above the white
turnover" later associated with Gordon Hill.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Whistleblower Date: October 9, 2018, 4:30 pm
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What a truly wonderful photograph. Thank you for sharing it.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Acme Thunderer Date: October 10, 2018, 11:47 am
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[quote author=olddeagle link=topic=8.msg1520#msg1520
date=1538865912]
Here's the file I complied of all final officials down to 2000,
which includes the Amateur Cup, but Mr Pullin didn't feature.
(John Coyle has now extended this down to the present day).
Pullin always sticks in my memory because I saw him do Arsenal
4, Man Utd 5 at Highbury the week before Munich, the last time
some of those lads played in England. I was only 7 so can't say
I have any great recall of his performance.
Great photos, thanks for posting them. I can't find a programme
on line to identify the linesmen but perhaps some Spurs
supporters out there will have one?
[/quote]
The younger looking linesman behind Gilbert could be Harry New,
then of Havant in Hants and about to be promoted to the FL
middle aged 32-33. Thin and with jet black hair which is how I
remember Harry when he paid one of his frequent visits to
Selhurst Park. It would certainly be nice to know for sure.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Left Field Date: October 10, 2018, 1:02 pm
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[quote]The younger looking linesman behind Gilbert could be
Harry New, then of Havant in Hants and about to be promoted to
the FL middle aged 32-33. Thin and with jet black hair which is
how I remember Harry when he paid one of his frequent visits to
Selhurst Park. It would certainly be nice to know for
sure.[/quote]
You may be right AT - a linesman on the brink of promotion would
certainly be a contender for such a crucial game and the
hairstyle of this man is very similar. The somewhat blurry
picture of him returning to the line may help, especially as
many members are adept at spotting officials from their sock and
bootlace styles! The picture also offers an interesting angle
across the pitch and a sight of the cerise flag that was often
seen in those days.
[attachimg=1]
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