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I spy old refs
By: bmb Date: August 3, 2018, 2:12 pm
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Left Field Date: October 4, 2018, 1:53 pm
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It's rare to come across colour pictures of referees from more
than fifty years ago and the few that are seen tend to be of top
referees in charge of Cup Finals. Therefore the pictures below
of rank-and-file referee Gilbert Pullin of Bristol at a
Tottenham-Manchester City game in April 1960 are paricularly
interesting to see. The first shows him (centre) with the two
linesmen looking over the pitch before kick-off, all dressed in
formal attire:
[attachimg=1]
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Left Field Date: October 4, 2018, 1:57 pm
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The next picture shows him in refereeing kit just before
kick-off:
[attachimg=1]
The final picture is chosen not particularly for refereeing
reasons but because it's a very unusual image - more the angle a
spectator might see than what normally appears in a picture. One
thing I'm puzzled by is why City were wearing a change kit of
yellow shirts and socks when there would have been no colour
clash with Spurs:
[attachimg=2]
This game also featured a rare incident. Tottenham were awarded
a penalty on the stroke of half-time - play can of course be
extended to allow a penalty to be taken. The penalty was saved
but a Tottenham player then put the ball in the net - however
referee Pullin ruled no goal as the half ended when the penalty
was saved. This was certainly a correct decision by the letter
of the law but I suspect nowadays a goal would have been given,
the half not ending until the penalty had been scored or a
rebound had been completely saved or cleared.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: nemesis Date: October 4, 2018, 4:17 pm
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...... and here's a short feature which focuses on that match
and from which, I imagine, those still pictures are taken.
HTML https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-saturday-fever-1961-online
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Grahamexref Date: October 4, 2018, 6:41 pm
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The identity of the referee is beyond question !.
As an aside, may I suggest that 5 of the 7 Tottenham Hotspur's
players in the still are : Brown, Baker, Henry, Norman and
Blanchflower.
The other defender could possibly be Dave Mckay and the wide
'right winger' Terry Dyson, Medwin ?.....or even possibly Cliff
Jones.........as for the Man City players.......not a clue !!.
P.S. Can anyone identify GP's badge on his breast pocket ?.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: nemesis Date: October 5, 2018, 3:34 am
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[quote author=Grahamexref link=topic=8.msg1487#msg1487
date=1538696502]
The identity of the referee is beyond question !.
As an aside, may I suggest that 5 of the 7 Tottenham Hotspur's
players in the still are : Brown, Baker, Henry, Norman and
Blanchflower.
The other defender could possibly be Dave Mckay and the wide
'right winger' Terry Dyson, Medwin ?.....or even possibly Cliff
Jones.........as for the Man City players.......not a clue !!.
P.S. Can anyone identify GP's badge on his breast pocket ?.
[/quote]
The Terry is Medwin not Dyson.
..... and I think one of the City players is a young Denis
Law.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Acme Thunderer Date: October 5, 2018, 3:40 am
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An interesting film. Gilbert Pullin is not (I think) someone who
has featured before on ISOR. He was on the full list for 9
seasons until 1963 but doesn't seem to have scaled any heights
in that time, although to be fair to him, the opportunities to
do so were probably more limited than they are now. Gilbert
Napthine clearly needs to come off the 'one-and-only' given name
list!
FA Cup Final featured at the end of the film was presumably
1959, with Nottingham Forest in red (and with enormous shirt
badges) winning the Cup v Luton in white. Is that correct?
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Re: I spy old refs
By: nemesis Date: October 5, 2018, 4:40 am
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[quote author=nemesis link=topic=8.msg1488#msg1488
date=1538728463]
[quote author=Grahamexref link=topic=8.msg1487#msg1487
date=1538696502]
The identity of the referee is beyond question !.
As an aside, may I suggest that 5 of the 7 Tottenham Hotspur's
players in the still are : Brown, Baker, Henry, Norman and
Blanchflower.
The other defender could possibly be Dave Mckay and the wide
'right winger' Terry Dyson, Medwin ?.....or even possibly Cliff
Jones.........as for the Man City players.......not a clue !!.
P.S. Can anyone identify GP's badge on his breast pocket ?.
[/quote]
The Terry is Medwin not Dyson.
..... and I think one of the City players is a young Denis
Law.
[/quote]
Here are the line-ups:
Brown, Norman, Mackay, Baker, Henry, Blanchflower, Medwin,
Smith, Jones, Harmer and White.
Trautman, Leivers, Sear, Barnes, Ewing, Oakes, Barlow, Law,
McAdams (goalscorer), Hayes and Colbridge.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: Ref Fan Date: October 5, 2018, 5:19 am
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Brilliant nemesis.
Although a teenager at the time, the only names that don't ring
a bell are Baker of Spurs and Colbridge of City.
If the line-ups match the old formation of 2 full backs, 3 half
backs and 5 forwards, it suggests Dave MacKay was left back. I
always thought of him as a midfielder but no doubt the memory is
playing tricks.
Even then I was a United fan, but I well remember that City half
back line of Barnes, Ewing and Oakes.
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Re: I spy old refs
By: nemesis Date: October 5, 2018, 5:25 am
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[quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=8.msg1492#msg1492
date=1538734768]
Brilliant nemesis.
Although a teenager at the time, the only names that don't ring
a bell are Baker of Spurs and Colbridge of City.
If the line-ups match the old formation of 2 full backs, 3 half
backs and 5 forwards, it suggests Dave MacKay was left back. I
always thought of him as a midfielder but no doubt the memory is
playing tricks.
Even then I was a United fan, but I well remember that City half
back line of Barnes, Ewing and Oakes.
[/quote]
Ron Henry would have been left back.
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