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#Post#: 104123--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: Claretman
Date: April 14, 2026, 12:05 pm
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After a missed offence of a hairpull in a chelsea game Mr Webb
the head of pgmol stated that pulling an opponents hair would be
deemed as violent conduct and thus a red card offence. I am sure
he will have conveyed this information to all clubs, perhaps the
communication to manchester united might be stuck somewhere in
crystal palace servers and unread.
#Post#: 104124--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: El Referee
Date: April 14, 2026, 12:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> After a missed offence of a hairpull in a chelsea game Mr Webb
the head of pgmol stated that pulling an opponents hair would be
deemed as violent conduct and thus a red card offence. I am sure
he will have conveyed this information to all clubs, perhaps the
communication to manchester united might be stuck somewhere in
crystal palace servers and unread.
>
--- End Quote ---
This isn’t quite true, though. PGMOs own guidance in the
handbook, states “ Clearly pulling the hair of an opponent with
force”
This suggests that simply pulling someone’s hair in not a
sending off offence.
#Post#: 104128--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 14, 2026, 2:34 pm
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--- Quote from: El Referee link ---
>
> [quote author=Claretman link=topic=7902.msg104123#msg104123
date=1776186310]
> After a missed offence of a hairpull in a chelsea game Mr Webb
the head of pgmol stated that pulling an opponents hair would be
deemed as violent conduct and thus a red card offence. I am sure
he will have conveyed this information to all clubs, perhaps the
communication to manchester united might be stuck somewhere in
crystal palace servers and unread.
>
--- End Quote ---
This isn’t quite true, though. PGMOs own guidance in the
handbook, states “ Clearly pulling the hair of an opponent with
force”
This suggests that simply pulling someone’s hair in not a
sending off offence.
[/quote]
If someone managed to pull my hair I wouldn't give them a
disciplinary sanction but arrange to have them canonised for
effecting a miracle [emoji6]
#Post#: 104131--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: RCG
Date: April 14, 2026, 3:15 pm
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"Changing tack to settle a pub argument, do our female referees
have to pass the same fitness test as their male counterparts?
After last Saturday and the match before it will surprise people
if they do….advice from our learned members please."
The fitness test is set by the competition/association -
therefore any female officiating at PL level will have passed PL
test; likewise with FL
Depending on what level the WSL is, all officials will have
passed an equivalent test
UEFA/FIFA does its own testing too
#Post#: 104133--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 14, 2026, 4:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
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> Hair pulling is treated as an act of vc regardless of the
force involved. It is a deliberate act and has the potential to
cause serious injury. Understandably, referees don't have to
judge the degree of violence involved or make a decision based
on the outcome. I doubt many players will now try a hair pull
again. By even thinking of giving a yellow, players will take a
chance with the possibility of serious injury. This zero
tolerance approach should eliminate this offence.
> It is worth remembering what Howard Webb said on his programme
Match Officials Mic'd Up. Hair pulling has the potential for
serious injury and will be sanctioned with a red. Carrick
clearly didn't watch it.
>
--- End Quote ---
Unlike an elbow to the face as mentioned by the prevous poster.
#Post#: 104134--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 14, 2026, 4:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> After a missed offence of a hairpull in a chelsea game Mr Webb
the head of pgmol stated that pulling an opponents hair would be
deemed as violent conduct and thus a red card offence. I am sure
he will have conveyed this information to all clubs, perhaps the
communication to manchester united might be stuck somewhere in
crystal palace servers and unread.
>
--- End Quote ---
Have they also changed the definition of "violent conduct" as
that is clearly defined in Law 12?
#Post#: 104135--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 14, 2026, 4:24 pm
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--- Quote from: gooner link ---
>
> [quote author=Failed Ref link=topic=7902.msg104090#msg104090
date=1776152626]
> It is worth remembering what Howard Webb said on his programme
Match Officials Mic'd Up. Hair pulling has the potential for
serious injury and will be sanctioned with a red. Carrick
clearly didn't watch it.
>
--- End Quote ---
hi,
herein lies the problem - either Carrick isn't aware of the
rules or chooses to ignore them, this then filters down to the
players. Carrick's post match comments are frankly ridiculous
and display extraordinary levels of 'whataboutery' regarding
perceived fouls in the build up to both Leeds' goals (which
incidently weren't appealed for in real time by the Man U
players on the pitch).
In most walks of life, a manager is responsible for an
employees' actions whilst they are in the course of their
employment - legally known as 'vicarious liability'. Carrick
needs to familiarise himself with the rules and casade those
down to his subordinates before he starts blaming Team Ref for
his teams' failings.
Leeds were far and away the better team, and similarily to
Bournemouth last weekend, showed the 'bigger' team how to play
the game correctly.
regards,
gnr
[/quote]
What utter nonsense. In real time no Leeds players appealed
about the hair pull.
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Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: chris.g?ld?r
Date: April 14, 2026, 5:56 pm
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--- Quote from: gooner link ---
>
> [quote author=Failed Ref link=topic=7902.msg104090#msg104090
date=1776152626]
> It is worth remembering what Howard Webb said on his programme
Match Officials Mic'd Up. Hair pulling has the potential for
serious injury and will be sanctioned with a red. Carrick
clearly didn't watch it.
>
--- End Quote ---
hi,
herein lies the problem - either Carrick isn't aware of the
rules or chooses to ignore them, this then filters down to the
players. Carrick's post match comments are frankly ridiculous
and display extraordinary levels of 'whataboutery' regarding
perceived fouls in the build up to both Leeds' goals (which
incidently weren't appealed for in real time by the Man U
players on the pitch).
In most walks of life, a manager is responsible for an
employees' actions whilst they are in the course of their
employment - legally known as 'vicarious liability'. Carrick
needs to familiarise himself with the rules and casade those
down to his subordinates before he starts blaming Team Ref for
his teams' failings.
Leeds were far and away the better team, and similarily to
Bournemouth last weekend, showed the 'bigger' team how to play
the game correctly.
regards,
gnr
[/quote]
Perhaps Michael Carrick was coming from the position of having
read or knowing the PL's own guidance.
This is what the PL guidance on violent conduct referring to
hair pulling says...
"A player when not challenging for the ball will be sent off if
they;
- Clearly pulling the hair of an opponent with force"
Please see the link to the 25-26 PL handbook - the relevant page
is 96.
HTML https://resources.premierleague.pulselive.com/premierleague/document/2025/08/15/cc0d97b3-8f1a-4433-aded-0d42347ca053/Premier-League-and-PGMO-Competition-Guidance-Handbook-2025-26-v2.pdf
Given this is the guidance where would this incident be a red
card? Firstly, the guidance about hair pulling when not
challenging for the ball, which is not what happened yesterday
as both players were challenging for the ball. Secondly, the
guidance talks about pulling an opponents hair with "force".
Again, this is not what happened in the incident yesterday.
Under the current laws and 25-26 guidance this should not have
been a red card. If Howard Webb has come out and said "all
contact with hair pulling will be a red card" then he also needs
to revisit his own rules and guidance.
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Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 14, 2026, 6:56 pm
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What is the guidance on a referee's referral to VAR of a
potential foul on the say so of a player?
Lucky he missed that studs up challenge on Casemiro as well
despite it being right in front of him.
#Post#: 104157--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Tierney Man Utd v Leeds
DIR By: gooner
Date: April 15, 2026, 4:03 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
>
> What utter nonsense. In real time no Leeds players appealed
about the hair pull.
>
--- End Quote ---
hi,
check again - calvert-lewin did, immediately [emoji6]
regards,
gnr
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