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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - kirk
By: OwdReds Date: March 15, 2026, 3:43 am
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Even when we disagree strongly with a referee's decisions please
can we give them the courtesy of using their full name rather
than just Kirk?
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - kirk
By: Ryanellis Date: March 15, 2026, 3:59 am
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[quote author=OwdReds link=topic=7810.msg102804#msg102804
date=1773564183]
Even when we disagree strongly with a referee's decisions please
can we give them the courtesy of using their full name rather
than just Kirk?
[/quote]
I was also going to point this out!
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - kirk
By: ben Date: March 15, 2026, 4:42 am
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I don’t see a problem with that.
In the Chelsea v Newcastle topic the referee, players from both
sides and a manager are all referred to by just surname. No one
seems to have raised an issue.
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - kirk
By: Ryanellis Date: March 15, 2026, 4:52 am
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[quote author=Ben link=topic=7810.msg102809#msg102809
date=1773567770]
I don’t see a problem with that.
In the Chelsea v Newcastle topic the referee, players from both
sides and a manager are all referred to by just surname. No one
seems to have raised an issue.
[/quote]
I think OwdReds is referring to the title of the discussion
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - T Kirk
By: ben Date: March 15, 2026, 4:56 am
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Fixed - first initial in as that seems common as well so
hopefully that is acceptable.
It was more the lack of a capital letter that triggered my OCD
;)
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - kirk
By: Joecphillips Date: March 15, 2026, 5:16 am
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He's made no attempt to play the ball just to stop a promising
attack (I know with sunderland at the minute the ball could be
on the line and it still wouldn't go in), Brighton knew they got
away with one so got him immediately off the pitch.
If it was sour grapes I would be criticising him for playing on
for so long with a player down with a 'head injury' as I've
previously been told on here that any referee who plays on with
a player down holding their head should seriously rethink their
priorities
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - kirk
By: Whistleblower Date: March 15, 2026, 7:41 am
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[quote author=Ryanellis link=topic=7810.msg102806#msg102806
date=1773565151]
[quote author=OwdReds link=topic=7810.msg102804#msg102804
date=1773564183]
Even when we disagree strongly with a referee's decisions please
can we give them the courtesy of using their full name rather
than just Kirk?
[/quote]
I was also going to point this out!
[/quote]
I think for a heading, a given name or initial with surname is
entirely correct and proper usage. However, in the body of the
message I often just use a referee's surname. No disrespect at
all is meant by this. It probably depends on the usage of
surnames in one's early life and subsequent occupation. I have
always believed that it implied an equality of status.
A further point to consider in the 'players versus gentlemen'
tradition. In the olden days referees were drawn from all walks
of life and occupations and so rightly were afforded the
courtesy title Mr ( denoting amateur ) as opposed to
professional players who were referred to by their surnames
only. Now that senior referees are professionals and earn their
living from the game, it would seem in order for the honorific
Mr title to be dropped and usage of surname or given name with
surname adopted, thus putting match officials on on an equal
professional basis with the players.
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - T Kirk
By: JCFC Date: March 15, 2026, 11:58 am
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Being even (Sorry!) older than Whistleblower, my gripe is with
the over-familiarlity in the use of first names only. I can
perhaps understand this in the NHS, where the importance of
personal relations is significant and may comfort patients. I am
a loss, though, to see why the Gas Board etc. choose to start
communications with Hi + first name. Even less so when BT uses a
similar form of address to me - Hi Margaret, given that I
informed them sixteen years ago of my mother's death and that
the account should be in my name.
When AT first adopted this process on here,I was inclined to
think he knew all officials personally, but it seems he was
merely ahead of his time. It now seems to be common practice.
This aged leopard, though, will not be changing his spots, and
will continue to use Mr, Miss, Mrs or, reluctantly, Ms.
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - T Kirk
By: Whistleblower Date: March 15, 2026, 12:56 pm
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I entirely agree about the profligate use of first/given names.
I am of the generation where such usage was confined to friends
or people one knew reasonably well. Whenever I have to speak
with an operative of one of the utility companies, insurance
firms or other commercial suppliers and they say "hello, you're
through to Gavin...Maureen.... (or these days invariably) Josh"
and then ask for my name I always give my surname.
As regards referees, there have been a handful over the years
whom I have got to know well enough to be on first name terms
but I would not presume such usage with others unless
particularly invited by them to do so.
No doubt to the younger generation this all appears as rather
starchy and formal but I think there is something quite precious
in reserving a first/given name to signify friendship or a
reasonably well established relationship ( and I certainly don't
use that last word in the modern sense either ! )
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Re: Sunderland v Brighton - T Kirk
By: ajb95 Date: March 15, 2026, 4:05 pm
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It’s become very normalised by the media when interviewing
celebrities or importantly politicians. Not a good look for me
when its first name basis becomes too friendly.
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