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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: Claretman
Date: March 4, 2026, 5:06 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
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> I think Beckford wasn't really thinking with his head and
unfortunately in my opinion came across as very bitter.
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Still had his Leeds head on from playing days
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: Craven
Date: March 4, 2026, 8:10 am
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The non intervention from Tierney for the O’Nien challenge is
bewildering. I’m surprised more hasn’t been made of it on here.
It meets every threshold that Webb speaks about. O’Nien doesn’t
once look at the flight of the ball, the one and only thing on
his mind is to halt the run of Strijkt, which he does by rugby
tackling him around the neck and pulling him to the ground.
Astonishing that Tierney hasn’t recommended an OFR. There have
been some very poor VAR decisions/non decisions this season, but
this one is right up there with the very worst.
For me, Tierney is involved too often when things go amiss.
Don’t rate him as a referee, and personally, I think he’s even
worse as a VAR.
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: TA_Ref
Date: March 4, 2026, 8:41 am
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--- Quote from: Craven link ---
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> The non intervention from Tierney for the O’Nien challenge is
bewildering. I’m surprised more hasn’t been made of it on here.
It meets every threshold that Webb speaks about. O’Nien doesn’t
once look at the flight of the ball, the one and only thing on
his mind is to halt the run of Strijkt, which he does by rugby
tackling him around the neck and pulling him to the ground.
Astonishing that Tierney hasn’t recommended an OFR. There have
been some very poor VAR decisions/non decisions this season, but
this one is right up there with the very worst.
>
> For me, Tierney is involved too often when things go amiss.
Don’t rate him as a referee, and personally, I think he’s even
worse as a VAR.
>
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Totally agree with your last bit. Even more so when you consider
that Paul Tierney has literally had a whole season last year in
Stockley Park and yet somehow, he has shown very little
improvement in his capabilities to be a top VAR. I also agree
that Tierney is too involved with mistakes. It makes you wonder
how he can recommend a young and fairly inexperienced official
in Tom Bramall and virtually threw him under a bus in Newcastle
v Tottenham with the penalty awarded for a ‘holding offence’ but
you see the one last night and he doesn’t do anything.
All Premier League managers are right. The protocols around
corners need to be thoroughly reviewed at the end of the season.
It can’t really be changed now. I do believe goalkeepers
shouldn’t be protected as they were a few seasons ago but
there’s now far too much holding and blocking going on from set
pieces now.
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 4, 2026, 10:44 am
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For the potential penalty for holding by O'Nien, whether we
agree with it or not PGMO have stated that penalties will only
be given if the holding is impactful, and that means stops the
opponent and prevents them from getting to the ball. Whilst
there's no doubt this stopped the opponent in his tracks, from
memory the ball wasn't going anywhere near where that holding
happened or where the held attacker was heading, and therefore
isn't going to get given either by on-field officials or VAR.
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: El Referee
Date: March 4, 2026, 11:08 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> For the potential penalty for holding by O'Nien, whether we
agree with it or not PGMO have stated that penalties will only
be given if the holding is impactful, and that means stops the
opponent and prevents them from getting to the ball. Whilst
there's no doubt this stopped the opponent in his tracks, from
memory the ball wasn't going anywhere near where that holding
happened or where the held attacker was heading, and therefore
isn't going to get given either by on-field officials or VAR.
>
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This ain’t quite true. Attached is PGMOLs guidance. What you say
is a consideration, but not the only one.
For me, this incident ticks the ‘non-footballing action’ section
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 4, 2026, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: El Referee link ---
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> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7775.msg102362#msg102362
date=1772642646]
> For the potential penalty for holding by O'Nien, whether we
agree with it or not PGMO have stated that penalties will only
be given if the holding is impactful, and that means stops the
opponent and prevents them from getting to the ball. Whilst
there's no doubt this stopped the opponent in his tracks, from
memory the ball wasn't going anywhere near where that holding
happened or where the held attacker was heading, and therefore
isn't going to get given either by on-field officials or VAR.
>
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This ain’t quite true. Attached is PGMOLs guidance. What you say
is a consideration, but not the only one.
For me, this incident ticks the ‘non-footballing action’ section
[/quote]
Its the only one that I can remember Webb repeatedly referring
to.
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: El Referee
Date: March 4, 2026, 11:37 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> [quote author=El Referee link=topic=7775.msg102364#msg102364
date=1772644097]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7775.msg102362#msg102362
date=1772642646]
> For the potential penalty for holding by O'Nien, whether we
agree with it or not PGMO have stated that penalties will only
be given if the holding is impactful, and that means stops the
opponent and prevents them from getting to the ball. Whilst
there's no doubt this stopped the opponent in his tracks, from
memory the ball wasn't going anywhere near where that holding
happened or where the held attacker was heading, and therefore
isn't going to get given either by on-field officials or VAR.
>
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This ain’t quite true. Attached is PGMOLs guidance. What you say
is a consideration, but not the only one.
For me, this incident ticks the ‘non-footballing action’ section
[/quote]
Its the only one that I can remember Webb repeatedly referring
to.
[/quote]
I imagine he was trying to dig himself and an official out of a
hole and justify a decision/non-decision. And this is the
problem with Mic’d Up.
But their guidance is pretty clear. And it’s also pretty clear
to me (at least!) that a penalty was justifiable, if not
expected, in this scenario.
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: Claretman
Date: March 4, 2026, 4:37 pm
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The problem we have is pgmol guidance that only holding that is
impactful results in a foul given, this just encourages players
to keep holding rather than eradicating it.
If you to prevent holding in the penalty area then dont condone
it simples !!
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: Adam
Date: March 4, 2026, 4:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
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> The problem we have is pgmol guidance that only holding that
is impactful results in a foul given, this just encourages
players to keep holding rather than eradicating it.
>
> If you to prevent holding in the penalty area then dont
condone it simples !!
>
>
>
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I remember back to the 2018 World Cup. The 1st time we saw VAR
properly. Every slightest thing that involved any grabbing or
holding, fleeting or prolonged, was continuously given as a
penalty kick. It was harsh, but come the end of the group stages
no one was even trying their luck in the box. Going back to
this, at least in the short-term, just to knock some sense into
players, is imo the best way to fix the problem.
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Re: Leeds V Sunderland - Stuart Atwell
DIR By: El Referee
Date: March 5, 2026, 12:12 am
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
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> The problem we have is pgmol guidance that only holding that
is impactful results in a foul given, this just encourages
players to keep holding rather than eradicating it.
>
> If you to prevent holding in the penalty area then dont
condone it simples !!
>
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But that isn’t the guidance, it’s only part of the guidance.
There’s plenty of other considerations. Considerations that
could easily justify a foul. But the impactful one seems to be
the one PGMOL loves to focus on
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