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Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: January 18, 2026, 9:18 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Joecphillips link=topic=7623.msg100311#msg100311
date=1768745018]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100306#msg100306
date=1768743764]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
Going to have to ask the obvious question, but if he wasn't
injured why was he on the floor holding his head?
[/quote]
--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
>
> "Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place"
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
So the player was down with a potential facial injury? That
requires professional medical aseessment. That means he is
going off the field of play for at least 30 seconds. If he was
not requiring treatment, why did he stay down? Its only an
educated guess, but could it have been an attempt to gain an
unfair advantage by feigning injury?
edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
As said already we aren’t medical professionals so what’s to
say, what I will say though every game there are collisions
which are painful then a few seconds later players get up, you
can 100% defend it in the laws of the game but when someone with
the player is indicating he doesn’t need treatment at the same
time someone 15-20 yards away decides they do it isn’t the best
look.
If he was worried about time wasting he could have managed it
the same way I’ve managed it throughout the match and how it is
managed in the premier league these days stand there and just
point to the watch
[/quote]
I'm assuming you are not a referee, as if you were you would
know that the immediate priority if you see a player down
holding their head is to get treatment onto them. If you are a
referee you seriously need to rethink your priorities.
[/quote]
Ok then so Stuart atwell who allowed a Tottenham to counter
attack the other week with a player down holding their head on
the edge of their box needs to rethink his priorities as well.
Michael Oliver (Man Utd v Liverpool) as well as many other
premier league refs as well. You also defended Oliver for making
a “judgement call” seems like you’re a bit inconsistent on the
issue
I’ve also only said it doesn’t look great not that it was wrong,
I also don’t think it’s outrageous to say someone on the scene
probably has a better understanding of what’s going on than
someone a distance away, what part of that is controversial?
#Post#: 100319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: Gorgeous George
Date: January 18, 2026, 9:21 am
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I do worry sometimes that this site becomes more of a fan forum
than an actual refereeing debate. Good knowledge from the
moderators to point out the glaringly obvious for any actual
referees. Player safety is clearly paramount and if the player
is feigning injury then he deserves to miss 30 secs for his
misguided actions. Well done referee!
#Post#: 100321--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 18, 2026, 10:19 am
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--- Quote from: Joecphillips link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100315#msg100315
date=1768748079]
> [quote author=Joecphillips link=topic=7623.msg100311#msg100311
date=1768745018]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100306#msg100306
date=1768743764]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
Going to have to ask the obvious question, but if he wasn't
injured why was he on the floor holding his head?
[/quote]
--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
>
> "Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place"
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
So the player was down with a potential facial injury? That
requires professional medical aseessment. That means he is
going off the field of play for at least 30 seconds. If he was
not requiring treatment, why did he stay down? Its only an
educated guess, but could it have been an attempt to gain an
unfair advantage by feigning injury?
edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
As said already we aren’t medical professionals so what’s to
say, what I will say though every game there are collisions
which are painful then a few seconds later players get up, you
can 100% defend it in the laws of the game but when someone with
the player is indicating he doesn’t need treatment at the same
time someone 15-20 yards away decides they do it isn’t the best
look.
If he was worried about time wasting he could have managed it
the same way I’ve managed it throughout the match and how it is
managed in the premier league these days stand there and just
point to the watch
[/quote]
I'm assuming you are not a referee, as if you were you would
know that the immediate priority if you see a player down
holding their head is to get treatment onto them. If you are a
referee you seriously need to rethink your priorities.
[/quote]
Ok then so Stuart atwell who allowed a Tottenham to counter
attack the other week with a player down holding their head on
the edge of their box needs to rethink his priorities as well.
Michael Oliver (Man Utd v Liverpool) as well as many other
premier league refs as well. You also defended Oliver for making
a “judgement call” seems like you’re a bit inconsistent on the
issue
I’ve also only said it doesn’t look great not that it was wrong,
I also don’t think it’s outrageous to say someone on the scene
probably has a better understanding of what’s going on than
someone a distance away, what part of that is controversial?
[/quote]
The pathetic behaviour of players makes it impossible for
referees. We've just seen it in the Wolves game, Bueono landed
off the pitch holding his head, half hauled himself back onto
the pitch and then was actually rolled back onto it by a team
mate. He didn't have to go off as he said he didn't need
treatment, but if I'd been the referee I would have immediately
called on the physio. If you go down holding your head you can
have zero complaints if the referee makes you go off, sometimes
they might not see it straight away, or might not realise it is
a head injury, but this is very much the boy who cried wolf.
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