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Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: robbieg
Date: January 17, 2026, 6:11 pm
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Good debate by the way.
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Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: yfc54
Date: January 18, 2026, 5:24 am
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--- Quote from: El Referee link ---
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> Just saw the penalty shout. Not a clue how that wasn’t given.
>
--- End Quote ---
A clear and obvious error. Isn't that what VAR is supposed to
pick up on?
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Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: El Referee
Date: January 18, 2026, 5:40 am
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--- Quote from: yfc54 link ---
>
> [quote author=El Referee link=topic=7623.msg100266#msg100266
date=1768692212]
> Just saw the penalty shout. Not a clue how that wasn’t given.
>
--- End Quote ---
A clear and obvious error. Isn't that what VAR is supposed to
pick up on?
[/quote]
Depends which way the wind is blowing…..seemingly
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Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: Leggy
Date: January 18, 2026, 7:26 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
>
> "Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place"
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
So the player was down with a potential facial injury? That
requires professional medical aseessment. That means he is
going off the field of play for at least 30 seconds. If he was
not requiring treatment, why did he stay down? Its only an
educated guess, but could it have been an attempt to gain an
unfair advantage by feigning injury?
edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
#Post#: 100306--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 18, 2026, 7:42 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
Going to have to ask the obvious question, but if he wasn't
injured why was he on the floor holding his head?
#Post#: 100307--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 18, 2026, 7:44 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Personally I believe this should say:
What a silly silly thing to do by the player.
Just my opinion of course, for what it's worth.
#Post#: 100311--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: January 18, 2026, 8:03 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
Going to have to ask the obvious question, but if he wasn't
injured why was he on the floor holding his head?
[/quote]
--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
>
> "Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place"
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
So the player was down with a potential facial injury? That
requires professional medical aseessment. That means he is
going off the field of play for at least 30 seconds. If he was
not requiring treatment, why did he stay down? Its only an
educated guess, but could it have been an attempt to gain an
unfair advantage by feigning injury?
edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
As said already we aren’t medical professionals so what’s to
say, what I will say though every game there are collisions
which are painful then a few seconds later players get up, you
can 100% defend it in the laws of the game but when someone with
the player is indicating he doesn’t need treatment at the same
time someone 15-20 yards away decides they do it isn’t the best
look.
If he was worried about time wasting he could have managed it
the same way I’ve managed it throughout the match and how it is
managed in the premier league these days stand there and just
point to the watch
#Post#: 100314--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: highfieldlatic
Date: January 18, 2026, 8:32 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
>
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
> What a silly CORRECT thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Altered that for you 👍
#Post#: 100315--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 18, 2026, 8:54 am
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--- Quote from: Joecphillips link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100306#msg100306
date=1768743764]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
Going to have to ask the obvious question, but if he wasn't
injured why was he on the floor holding his head?
[/quote]
--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100270#msg100270
date=1768694185]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7623.msg100261#msg100261
date=1768689945]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=7623.msg100260#msg100260
date=1768689328]
> .....about eight minutes from full time there was a collision
between a Palace forward and Sunderland defender Omar Alderete
which ended up with our defender injured.I sit behind the North
Stand goal where the incident occurred and whilst it looked like
a flailing arm or hand it was purely unintentional when the
contact came.
>
> Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place and he didn't need treatment.
>
> The referee insisted he had a head injury and made him leave
the field of play even though he jogged off without any
assistance however this left us one man down for thirty seconds.
>
>
> "Alderete lay on the pitch for a few seconds and the referee
waved on our physio however what happened then was the player
got up and pointed at his lower jaw and cheek area where the
contact had taken place"
>
> What a silly silly thing to do by the referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once the referee authorises treatment the player has to go off,
it doesn't matter whether any treatment actually occurs.
[/quote]
.........but the player himself indicated he wasn't injured at
all.
What is Robert Jones. A high quality referee or a medical
professional ?
[/quote]
So the player was down with a potential facial injury? That
requires professional medical aseessment. That means he is
going off the field of play for at least 30 seconds. If he was
not requiring treatment, why did he stay down? Its only an
educated guess, but could it have been an attempt to gain an
unfair advantage by feigning injury?
edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
As said already we aren’t medical professionals so what’s to
say, what I will say though every game there are collisions
which are painful then a few seconds later players get up, you
can 100% defend it in the laws of the game but when someone with
the player is indicating he doesn’t need treatment at the same
time someone 15-20 yards away decides they do it isn’t the best
look.
If he was worried about time wasting he could have managed it
the same way I’ve managed it throughout the match and how it is
managed in the premier league these days stand there and just
point to the watch
[/quote]
I'm assuming you are not a referee, as if you were you would
know that the immediate priority if you see a player down
holding their head is to get treatment onto them. If you are a
referee you seriously need to rethink your priorities.
#Post#: 100317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sunderland v Crystal Palace - Rob Jones
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 18, 2026, 9:00 am
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Having asked around regarding the protocol/guidelines etc. This
is what I have been told:
This is literally what the PL have asked referees to do. If a
player stays down and holds his head you have to order physios
on. On this occasion they refused to come on despite being asked
twice very visibly and with a whistle.
The player had taken an arm to the face. He then wanted to waste
time on the floor but not receive treatment. So he was rightly
asked to leave the FOP for inspection.
Correct, safe protocol was followed for the player's own safety.
If the physio's chose not to inspect him when he was sent off of
the pitch for that inspection then that is on them & had he
collapsed (or worse) at some stage in the game from an
undiagnosed head injury they would have been having to answer
questions of the authorities at a latter stage.
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