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Re: Tony Harrington: West Ham v Forest
DIR By: Adam
Date: January 7, 2026, 9:42 am
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> [quote author=Failed Ref link=topic=7589.msg99696#msg99696
date=1767783701]
> Santos has clearly brought something from Forest - the
disrespect of officials and blaming them. West Ham are where
they are for a reason, different referees each game but one
common denominator.
> Harrington was OK and I think criticism of him applies to
every referee in the Premiership. In their desire to allow a
more physical game, some challenges which I would think a foul,
they play on. Oliver, excellent as he is, is prone to this
criticism.
> Agree about the penalty, keepers need to understand as Rob
Green explained on Sky, if you come off your line you cannot
expect to be treated any differently from any other player. On
you goal line, that is the goalkeeper's territory and more
leeway should be given.
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So a goalkeeper whacking an opponent around the head is be OK as
long as they have at least one foot on the goal line? Noted.
[/quote]
Nope that's not what either Rob Green or Failed Ref said. Being
on the line gives leighway ever so slightly to the goalkeeper to
be more physical, obviously the ball still has to be won when a
challenge is made. A mistimed punch is obviously still a PK.
#Post#: 99707--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tony Harrington: West Ham v Forest
DIR By: El Referee
Date: January 7, 2026, 10:25 am
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> [quote author=Game of Throw Ins
link=topic=7589.msg99689#msg99689 date=1767742479]
> One bizarre incident where VAR was called on to decide whether
a Forest shot was deflected wide off a defender's hand or his
leg. VAR correctly ruled the ball hit the leg of a West Ham
player but the game then remarkably restarted with a goal kick
rather than the obvious corner.
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A goal kick or corner decision isn't a VAR reviewable decision.
They checked the potential penalty but would just come back with
check complete, they can't, or at least aren't supposed to, say
"check complete but give a corner". If a goal was then scored
from that corner it would have been the result of VAR turning a
goal kick into a corner, and that isn't allowed.
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At least not yet they can’t……
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Re: Tony Harrington: West Ham v Forest
DIR By: mac
Date: January 7, 2026, 10:57 am
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Hmmm I’m not sure about the pen. I don’t see comparisons with
Onana, who just launched himself and clattered the man and stops
an attacker playing the ball. Here the keeper is as committed to
play the ball with his hands as the attacker is with his head, a
defender gets there first. I get the argument he catches him,
but what else is anyone meant to do. If the keeper delays, he
might miss the ball completely. If the defender leaves it, the
attacker might get there first.
If this was head on head contact defender on attacker (two
players legally challenging for the ball but someone else beats
them to it), would it be given? I don’t see much difference,
given the keeper can legally play the ball with his hands in
this situation, therefore I’m not convinced he is CARELESS as
the law requires. If he kicks the attacker, of course he is. But
what more care can he take other than potentially staying still
and letting a goal in?
Of course I see why it’s given, but let’s look at the outcome.
The defender had already cleared the ball, this action by the
keeper was not impactful. Therefore, is the punishment of an
unobstructed shot at goal (penalty) proportionate to the action?
Like handball, is the goalkeeper’s action justifiable?
Discuss!!
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Re: Tony Harrington: West Ham v Forest
DIR By: El Referee
Date: January 7, 2026, 11:11 am
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> Hmmm I’m not sure about the pen. I don’t see comparisons with
Onana, who just launched himself and clattered the man and stops
an attacker playing the ball. Here the keeper is as committed to
play the ball with his hands as the attacker is with his head, a
defender gets there first. I get the argument he catches him,
but what else is anyone meant to do. If the keeper delays, he
might miss the ball completely. If the defender leaves it, the
attacker might get there first.
>
> If this was head on head contact defender on attacker (two
players legally challenging for the ball but someone else beats
them to it), would it be given? I don’t see much difference,
given the keeper can legally play the ball with his hands in
this situation, therefore I’m not convinced he is CARELESS as
the law requires. If he kicks the attacker, of course he is. But
what more care can he take other than potentially staying still
and letting a goal in?
>
> Of course I see why it’s given, but let’s look at the outcome.
The defender had already cleared the ball, this action by the
keeper was not impactful. Therefore, is the punishment of an
unobstructed shot at goal (penalty) proportionate to the action?
Like handball, is the goalkeeper’s action justifiable?
>
> Discuss!!
>
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In practically every game there will be a 50/50 between 2
outfield players in which one of them gets to the ball first and
ends up being fouled by the other player. This scenario is no
different.
Goalkeepers get more than their fair share of 50/50s given in
their favour
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Re: Tony Harrington: West Ham v Forest
DIR By: mac
Date: January 7, 2026, 11:17 am
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I think it is different. If Gibbs White gets there first and is
caught, pen all day. Which is why I think comparisons with Onana
are wrong. But here another defender plays the ball meaning
neither attacker or gk who are both committed to play the ball,
both in a manner legal for their position, are able to and so
are naturally going to collide as neither can stop in time.
#Post#: 99726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tony Harrington: West Ham v Forest
DIR By: badref
Date: January 7, 2026, 3:30 pm
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What do we think off the goal that got ruled out for offside,
was it a correct decision?
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