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#Post#: 99208--------------------------------------------------
Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: Seagull
Date: December 29, 2025, 6:00 am
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I watched the whole game between Crystal Palace and Tottenham
yesterday and saw several instances of long throws taken by
attackers in their opponent's half being foul throws (feet
placement), none of which were detected or penalised. Two
questions arise in my mind.
1. Why are ARs evidently not watching for foul throws and
raising their flag? Is it down to Referee instructions before
the game or "game management" by PGMOL perhaps ("ignore them
unless a goal is scored")? One foul long throw by a Palace
player was so glaringly obvious with the player's front foot
entirely on the pitch, I can't see how it was missed.
2. Luckily, a goal did not result from any of the throws but had
that happened, is it within VAR's remit to check the legality of
a throw immediately prior to a goal being scored?
#Post#: 99209--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: ARF
Date: December 29, 2025, 6:53 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> I watched the whole game between Crystal Palace and Tottenham
yesterday and saw several instances of long throws taken by
attackers in their opponent's half being foul throws (feet
placement), none of which were detected or penalised. Two
questions arise in my mind.
>
> 1. Why are ARs evidently not watching for foul throws and
raising their flag? Is it down to Referee instructions before
the game or "game management" by PGMOL perhaps ("ignore them
unless a goal is scored")? One foul long throw by a Palace
player was so glaringly obvious with the player's front foot
entirely on the pitch, I can't see how it was missed.
>
> 2. Luckily, a goal did not result from any of the throws but
had that happened, is it within VAR's remit to check the
legality of a throw immediately prior to a goal being scored?
>
--- End Quote ---
When you say feet placement, do you just mean where feet are
past the touchline, or do you also mean feet leaving the ground?
If the former, and the Palace throw-in you highlight was the
only one where the entire foot was past the touchline, then that
would have been the only 'foul' throw missed!
As for the second question, I believe it should be within VAR's
remit, as it would be an offence by the attacking team in the
build-up to the goal.
#Post#: 99210--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: ChippenhamCherry
Date: December 29, 2025, 7:20 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
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> I watched the whole game between Crystal Palace and Tottenham
yesterday and saw several instances of long throws taken by
attackers in their opponent's half being foul throws (feet
placement), none of which were detected or penalised. Two
questions arise in my mind.
>
> 1. Why are ARs evidently not watching for foul throws and
raising their flag? Is it down to Referee instructions before
the game or "game management" by PGMOL perhaps ("ignore them
unless a goal is scored")? One foul long throw by a Palace
player was so glaringly obvious with the player's front foot
entirely on the pitch, I can't see how it was missed.
>
> 2. Luckily, a goal did not result from any of the throws but
had that happened, is it within VAR's remit to check the
legality of a throw immediately prior to a goal being scored?
>
--- End Quote ---
Looking at social media, I think this might partly be down to a
misunderstanding by fans and the pundit covering the game as to
what constitutes a foul throw. In most of the instances
highlighted on there, the player's front foot, whilst largely
over the line, had a part of the heel on the line so was not a
foul throw. There's only one image I've seen where the entire
foot was over the line and that's been taken after the ball has
left the hands so it's possible it was on the line at point of
release.
#Post#: 99211--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: Seagull
Date: December 29, 2025, 7:34 am
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--- Quote from: ARF link ---
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> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=7556.msg99208#msg99208
date=1767009659]
> I watched the whole game between Crystal Palace and Tottenham
yesterday and saw several instances of long throws taken by
attackers in their opponent's half being foul throws (feet
placement), none of which were detected or penalised. Two
questions arise in my mind.
>
> 1. Why are ARs evidently not watching for foul throws and
raising their flag? Is it down to Referee instructions before
the game or "game management" by PGMOL perhaps ("ignore them
unless a goal is scored")? One foul long throw by a Palace
player was so glaringly obvious with the player's front foot
entirely on the pitch, I can't see how it was missed.
>
> 2. Luckily, a goal did not result from any of the throws but
had that happened, is it within VAR's remit to check the
legality of a throw immediately prior to a goal being scored?
>
--- End Quote ---
When you say feet placement, do you just mean where feet are
past the touchline, or do you also mean feet leaving the ground?
If the former, and the Palace throw-in you highlight was the
only one where the entire foot was past the touchline, then that
would have been the only 'foul' throw missed!
As for the second question, I believe it should be within VAR's
remit, as it would be an offence by the attacking team in the
build-up to the goal.
[/quote]
In each case, the leading foot had no part on the touchline or
on the ground outside it. I hope VAR check long throws
immediately before a goal. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: December 29, 2025, 7:48 am
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I am sure it is to do with keeping the game moving as far as
possible, and not penalising things like foul throws unless it
is plainly bl**dy obvious or a goal results, as with offside. I
have no problem at all with that, indeed I applaud anything
which keeps the game going. I am sure if a goal results, the
comms system will quickly get to work and the goal will be
scrubbed out, either via VAR or direct between referee and
appropriate AR.
#Post#: 99214--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: Seagull
Date: December 29, 2025, 7:56 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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> I am sure it is to do with keeping the game moving as far as
possible, and not penalising things like foul throws unless it
is plainly bl**dy obvious or a goal results, as with offside. I
have no problem at all with that, indeed I applaud anything
which keeps the game going. I am sure if a goal results, the
comms system will quickly get to work and the goal will be
scrubbed out, either via VAR or direct between referee and
appropriate AR.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree in principle with your sentiment about keeping the game
moving but at the end of the day, a foul throw is a foul throw
and should be penalised accordingly, in my opinion. I don't
think Referees and ARs should pick and choose which laws to
enforce.
#Post#: 99222--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: El Referee
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:13 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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> I am sure it is to do with keeping the game moving as far as
possible, and not penalising things like foul throws unless it
is plainly bl**dy obvious or a goal results, as with offside. I
have no problem at all with that, indeed I applaud anything
which keeps the game going. I am sure if a goal results, the
comms system will quickly get to work and the goal will be
scrubbed out, either via VAR or direct between referee and
appropriate AR.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not sure I agree with this. Getting restarts correct is pretty
basic and clear law. Would you allow a quick free kick to be
taken if the ball was still rolling, just to keep the game
going?
#Post#: 99227--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:39 am
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Simon Hooper gave a foul throw at Anfield against Wolves on
Saturday. I didn’t see the offence (watching the drop zone) but
he did an Eric Morecambe-esque dance to indicate one foot was
off the ground.
#Post#: 99240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: Leggy
Date: December 29, 2025, 12:51 pm
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The ARs no longer monitor the goal-keeper at the edge of their
penalty area either. Clearly seen as too trivial to be
enforced. In both cases, how far over the line does it have to
be to be sanctioned? Or is it only the case when a goal occurs?
#Post#: 99246--------------------------------------------------
Re: Foul Throw-Ins
DIR By: rustyref
Date: December 29, 2025, 1:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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> The ARs no longer monitor the goal-keeper at the edge of their
penalty area either. Clearly seen as too trivial to be
enforced. In both cases, how far over the line does it have to
be to be sanctioned? Or is it only the case when a goal occurs?
>
--- End Quote ---
ARs can't run as fast as the ball, and the key decision for them
is offside. If they are checking for the keeper releasing the
ball and then aren't back in position to rule on an offside when
the ball quickly comes back everyone would ask what they were
doing. OK, VAR would correct any wrong offside call, but only
in competitions where it is used.
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