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Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: Gorgeous George
Date: April 28, 2019, 3:11 pm
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I’m afraid I don’t agree whole heartedly with the people saying
that the referee could “do nothing about it”... when everyone
basically stops and Tyler Roberts plays that through ball he
should use a bit of common sense and stop play for the injured
player to receive treatment to save the ensuing carnage that
follows by doing nothing.
This is another case of a referee applying law and not using the
common sense he would be applauded for using.
I do agree that the players take a big part of the blame for
stopping and trying to force his hand but sometimes as a referee
you’ve got to have more common sense. Surely he knew that
reaction would occur once he let it go on?!
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Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: April 28, 2019, 3:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> This was the BBC article when the new FA initiative was
introduced in 2017 -
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39962886
>
> 'The FA defines the new offence for which players will be
punished as "successful deception of a match official".
>
> Only incidents that result in a player winning a penalty or
lead to an opponent being sent off - through either a direct red
card or two yellow cards - will be punished.
>
> The FA says it will act "where there is clear and overwhelming
evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act
of simulation, and as a direct result, the offending player's
team has been awarded a penalty and/or an opposing player has
been dismissed"'
>
>
> Personally I would say that this ought to apply in this
scenario.
>
--- End Quote ---
There have been a few examples they have used this for punishing
penalty area simulation. Have they banned anyone for red card
incidents yet ?
The FA punishment will probably be missing a trip to Portman
Road next week for a match that several will rested for.
#Post#: 7291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 28, 2019, 3:27 pm
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--- Quote from: Gorgeous George link ---
>
> I’m afraid I don’t agree whole heartedly with the people
saying that the referee could “do nothing about it”... when
everyone basically stops and Tyler Roberts plays that through
ball he should use a bit of common sense and stop play for the
injured player to receive treatment to save the ensuing carnage
that follows by doing nothing.
>
> This is another case of a referee applying law and not using
the common sense he would be applauded for using.
>
> I do agree that the players take a big part of the blame for
stopping and trying to force his hand but sometimes as a referee
you’ve got to have more common sense. Surely he knew that
reaction would occur once he let it go on?!
>
--- End Quote ---
Why should Leeds get penalised for a Villa player being down
injured. Attwell didn't think he was sufficiently injured so the
game should have continued and both teams knew this. Players are
always told to play to the whistle. What I will add, which
no-one has mentioned is that it should have been a free kick IMO
for Villa for the initial foul on Kodja which started off this
whole incident.
Not sure who the assistant was but he will find himself in hot
water with the PGMO over that one, and Bamford should be banned
for his disgraceful antics.
#Post#: 7294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: Gorgeous George
Date: April 28, 2019, 4:44 pm
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I do agree it looks a foul initially... and giving that simple
foul avoids any of the ensuing mess!
As I said the players must take a large portion of the blame for
stopping. However, the point I was making was the referees lack
of awareness and common sense to what would happen by allowing
it to continue
#Post#: 7295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: TVOS
Date: April 28, 2019, 5:13 pm
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Attwell's only mistake was not giving a free-kick to Villa in
the first place.
From then on he was blameless.
#Post#: 7296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: April 28, 2019, 5:17 pm
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From the replays I saw, I'm not convinced that it necessarily
was a free-kick.
#Post#: 7297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: reflector
Date: April 28, 2019, 5:43 pm
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I agree Attwell wasn't to blame over the dismissal, having been
badly let down by his assistant who, to compound his
incompetence, had also failed to spot the offside in the lead up
to the goal. However, the whole incident wouldn't have
happened at all had the referee penalised the foul on Kodjia,
despite appearing to have a clear view of it.
Neither did he really look as though he was on top of the whole
somewhat unusual incident which followed and although Stuart
Attwell has improved somewhat since his previous demotion, I
still don't see him ever becoming one of our leading officials
or indeed how he is worthy of a FIFA badge.
#Post#: 7301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: exile
Date: April 29, 2019, 2:06 am
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I couldn't care less about the goal debacle, that's one people
will debate for along time to come regardless of the referee, I
don't see it had much to do with him to be honest. Unlike the
rest of the game as a whole. I can honestly say Attwell was one
of the worst referees I've ever seen at Leeds. He never once had
control of the game and was conned constantly by Villa and then
Bamford. His decision making throughout the game led to a lot of
frustration and anger from both players and fans alike.
Personally I would rather never see the guy at Elland Road
again, he was absolutely shocking.
#Post#: 7303--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: lincs22
Date: April 29, 2019, 2:39 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> This was the BBC article when the new FA initiative was
introduced in 2017 -
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39962886
>
> 'The FA defines the new offence for which players will be
punished as "successful deception of a match official".
>
> Only incidents that result in a player winning a penalty or
lead to an opponent being sent off - through either a direct red
card or two yellow cards - will be punished.
>
> The FA says it will act "where there is clear and overwhelming
evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act
of simulation, and as a direct result, the offending player's
team has been awarded a penalty and/or an opposing player has
been dismissed"'
>
>
> Personally I would say that this ought to apply in this
scenario.
>
--- End Quote ---
If there is any justice, the Villa player will have his RC
revoked and Bamford gets 4 matches (do he misses the semi-final
and play-off final). We need to punish the (Edited) more than
what the original offence would get. >:(
#Post#: 7330--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mr Attwell Leeds v Villa
DIR By: Retiredref
Date: April 29, 2019, 6:54 am
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--- Quote from: reflector link ---
>
> I agree Attwell wasn't to blame over the dismissal, having
been badly let down by his assistant who, to compound his
incompetence, had also failed to spot the offside in the lead up
to the goal. However, the whole incident wouldn't have
happened at all had the referee penalised the foul on Kodjia,
despite appearing to have a clear view of it.
>
> Neither did he really look as though he was on top of the
whole somewhat unusual incident which followed and although
Stuart Attwell has improved somewhat since his previous
demotion, I still don't see him ever becoming one of our leading
officials or indeed how he is worthy of a FIFA badge.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's the second paragraph here that is spot on for me.
Regardless of blame for the incident, okayer behaviour, etc. He
didn't look like he had any authority whatsoever in dealing with
what ensued. I realise these incidents are difficult but you
frequently see referees dealing with these things in a much more
authoritative manner having a clear idea of what they are going
to do. Attwell looked like he was praying for it to stop rather
than being willing to step in and defuse it.
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